I have another question. Which race is the best to perform propaganda? Eg i want to perform propaganda to undead, impossible I can get a lot of thieves and wizard from here right ? Perhaps I can survey their throne first, but I believe even I survey their throne/military, the result more or less the same isn't ? They might not have a lot of thieves and wizard.
Best thief race is for sure Halflings.
I think he means what best race to propaganda against :)
Moon, just propaganda what you can, or what the situation desires.
Experience will show ya.
faeries and elves tend to be fun, the elves you should catch when their troops arrive home so you can hit those leets. humans can be very good too
later in age sages tend to a/t/m and oft have no wt. these will provide nicely ;)
Last edited by crease; 17-09-2012 at 00:01.
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Lunex: Noted.
Csarmi: Yea, Im waiting for the coming war to try propaganda. From what I can see, the enemy has quite a lot of undead, dwarf, human, faery and avian player. So I wonder which race is my best target.
Crease: If I success propaganda on faeries and elves, their elite will become my elite right ? My question is my elites is brutes, but his elites is different with me. Is it I will have different elite after this ?
The ones with elite defense. The ones with elites at home. The ones with high wpa. The ones with high tpa (as long as that doesn't give you a lot of fails). You can only convert what's there and what's at home.
Crease, can you explain what are the situations where propaganda is really useful? (NS is usually better, and sometimes you have to AW or kidnap).
I think propping someone with high specs at home is useful, such as elf t/m. The reason being that you don't get nearly as many elites as specs, and you can send the specs to the dragon.
targets can vary depending on situation.mystic t/ms are generally viable as they have lower tpa and usually no wt's.Originally Posted by csarmi
you can use prop to gain specs for dragon slaying
you can use prop to lower a targets tpa for other provs to ns it
you can gain more honour from prop
you can prop to lower a targets wpa while also buffing ur own, i believe prop averages about 1/3 of an AW per op on an elf/faery, not to mention you then gain those wizzies.
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These were already brought up somewhat, but I'll give my view.
- Have 15-20% Thieves Dens. I personally run 18-20% as an A/t.
- Always send all thieves on propaganda. Note that if you've gotten chained and are getting hit alot, you've less TD's if you haven't managed to keep them build up. So you might want to do some ops with less potential to lose high amount of thieves. You're not very useful for your kingdoms war effort if you go and lose your thieves.
- Do not propa provs with all their armies out. You can assess the situation though. If they got decent amount of ospecs and dspecs home, go for it, but with 0 ospecs and elites home you are having 2 in 6 chance of hitting zero (3 to 6 if they've gotten chained and released all dspecs, and even worse chances if they have no soldiers around). It's good to wait their armies to come back in that case. Otherwise you are better off spending your stealth on NS if the prov needs to be ridden of it's troops. Or whatever the orders are, or what helps the effort.
- The gains on propaganda are extremely random. Last war I dumped 50% stealth on propping a dwarf-hybrid and I only got thieves and wizzies with 100% success rate.
I hope this helps :)
Last edited by Ley; 17-09-2012 at 14:04.
I'd like to clear up a misconception Ley made, and that is you never find no specialists to convert as long as they have either dspecs or ospecs home. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember getting both ospecs and dspecs in 1 op.
That's an excellent point! I need to pay more close attention next war and see if the specs are converted on equal ratio. Thaks for correcting me :) Need to have less coffee and more sleep :P
And now I'm too tangled up to go and edit my original post for proper correction. So actual chances are X to 5 (not X to 6). So with them having 0 or very little of the two possible units you can gain, you shouldn't propa. This is my view for now. Haven't played a rogue in a long long time so I'll see what I can come up with this propa stuff.
Last edited by Ley; 17-09-2012 at 15:35.
I'm not sure about this, but I never checked very closely.
i never remember getting zero specs on success outside of propping a faery/human/halfer with no specs home at all. i believe this is correct
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As for effectiveness I've seen propaganda converting 8% target specs (in a single op).
If you want to gain honor I would pick out a dude in their KD with fairly high honor. Steal runes first from whoever has runes look for an elf. Then Assassinate some poor dudes wizards (preferably someone who isn't an elf/faery but has highish honor) Now you can tornado/fireball the guy since he should be easyier to cast spells on after you killed a bunch of his wizards. Rinse and repeat every 12 hours or so.
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