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    End Honor WD

    This will get a lot of flaming, cause there's a lot of lame people that play this game that love to employ this tactic. So insta-flamers should just be ignored right now, because you're clearly lamers that like to abuse the system.

    Now, with that disclaimer out of the way. I have an issue with how war's end in utopia. You can clearly dominate a kd throughout, be ahead in honor, make a wave, and then 2 hours later the enemy kd does a max gains wave and withdraws.... on top with honor.

    This is absurd. If you're winning, there should be no chance of the enemy kd doing this.

    So here's what I propose:
    All attacks and ops and spells 5 ticks prior to withdrawing has honor returned to the prov. Why 5? So it leaves enough of a window for more armies to do what they need to do. And if you can time it right so that you can make an honor wave 5+ ticks before and still come away with it, then you deserve it.

    -People crying response number 1: It's a tactic we use, we wait till the last minute to get honor... wwwaaaahhhh... I call BS. If you're really a strong honor kd then you should be focused on grabbing honor throughout the war, not in the last few hours before you tuck tail and run.

    -People crying response number 2: This is the way it's always been, why change what works? Because.... it doesn't work. It's imbalanced and unfair and stupid. You've lost, and are taking something away from the deserving winners.

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    Why not extend the period where hits are prohibited, giving the victorious kingdom more time to counter wave?

    I don't like the current system either. Right now, honor rewards give a large amount of honor to winning kingdoms, but we've been lucky to fight kingdoms that aren't organized enough to make full waves before withdrawal.

    Would be better if honor were reworked from the ground up, but people have their honor fetishes...

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    They cannot take your honor. Your honor warwin will more than cover it.
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    I am in a war right now. My median prov is 2k honor. I will get 200 honor. I just got hit for 600 honor 4 hours before mintime. Explain to me how that covers it.

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    YOU =/ your kingdom.

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    I'm sorry but last I checked utopia wasn't socialist based where the wealth is shared. Also, the 10% honor at the end of the war isn't there to level you out due to honor waves, it's to give you honor for winning. Your argument is false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop View Post
    They cannot take your honor. Your honor warwin will more than cover it.
    If they suicide on honor-rich provinces and do op galore, I'm not so sure.

    The OP has a point.

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    If your expecting them to do a wave right before they surrender or withdraw.Hold your armies and do the same before they can.That sword has 2 sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magn View Post
    If they suicide on honor-rich provinces and do op galore, I'm not so sure.

    The OP has a point.
    If you care about honor, can't you do respond in kind and still win?

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    If you win a war decisively you will be up in honor even if they max gain it at the end
    If you have a close war and they max gain they might be up but you gain 10% and they lose 10%. As a KD you will be up. As an individual it is possible you will be down honor but individual honor is very fickle. They can also hit a guy with 15 hours left and take all his honor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by macleod View Post
    I am in a war right now. My median prov is 2k honor. I will get 200 honor. I just got hit for 600 honor 4 hours before mintime. Explain to me how that covers it.
    What makes you think you'll get 200? Honor is not a function of land.

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    Ovenmitt is correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magn View Post
    If they suicide on honor-rich provinces and do op galore, I'm not so sure.

    The OP has a point.
    No, i just told you its impossible. You get honor based partially on what they have. They take more, you get more.
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    Withdrawing KD does not lose honor anymore.

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    Again this brings me back to my point though, the 10% honor you get isn't supposed to be there so that you get your honor back after they took it away in the last few minutes... It's to give you an honor advantage. The system is broken. You can argue it all you want Bishop, but you're wrong. This is not what the system was intended to do.

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    Its ok, I have no intention of arguing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macleod View Post
    Again this brings me back to my point though, the 10% honor you get isn't supposed to be there so that you get your honor back after they took it away in the last few minutes... It's to give you an honor advantage. The system is broken. You can argue it all you want Bishop, but you're wrong. This is not what the system was intended to do.
    Then what is the system intended to do?
    Come up with a fully detailed plan on how honor should work in general, what should be the purpose behind it, when should someone has high honor and why, and how it should work in war.

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