Raze inside war

[jdorje]

Raze inside war is strictly worse than massacre. This is poor.

Either remove it or change it to be potentially useful. Old raze was 11% destruction 15 minimum. OOW raze is 5% destruction 15 minimum.

Either change it to 5-11% destruction 15 minimum, or remove it. The only instances of raze inside war this age were by people who didn't realize it was awful.

[Topsy]

I think there're ways to make it worth using without making it take land in war. If it did significant nw damage as an attack that wasn't as impacted by relative nw(for example decently large min % of buildings destroyed) it would have use in lots of situatiosn for example(although it seems like most want to decrease advantage ub's/banks have and while this would also help to bring down people practically ub due to nw it would prolly be mostly useful for people way oor upwards). Other buffs dealing with not having nw differential affect it as much(something to do with defensive casualties for example) could also add some dynamism to war and make attack useable.

[theuser]

Make it affected by the gains formula so that gains science and orc bonus can strengthen it?

[nooblet]

In-War Raze is pretty useful for getting rid of buildings on chained provinces... usually more useful to raze than to take 5x3 acres or whatever once a province has lost all their defense, and take a little heat off the smaller provinces.

It does seem awfully weak compared to OOW raze. I wasn't here when oow raze was changed to what it is now. If OOW Raze destroys 5%, In-War should have the same effect, or oow raze needs to be changed.

[csarmi]

Except there is no reason to get rid of buildings on chained provinces: chances are that they have none already.
It's useless, as it is, period. Massacre would do the same but also kill thieves and wizards.

[Palem]

I agree with jdorje.

The partial raze effect on massacres needs to removed and razes either need to destroy acres again or they need to destroy a much more significant amount of acres.

[Anri]

I agree with jdorje.

The partial raze effect on massacres needs to removed and razes either need to destroy acres again or they need to destroy a much more significant amount of acres.

Agreed

[Spikey]

Bring back the raze kill :)