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    Making Utopia Competitive Again

    First post in years. GO ME!

    I know that there's a lot of top kingdoms/players that will look for reasons to condemn this post, and I have no problem with that. Let's ruffle some feathers!

    I have played on and off for the majority of ages, on both ends of the spectrum, and there has been one constant. 25 province kingdoms feeding off of 20 province kingdoms.

    This leads me to believe that there's a lack of balance in the game. The 20 province kingdoms will never chart in anything but WW, and this is not from a lack of skill. If anything, I believe that 25 prov kds are actually less skilled than the 20 prov kingdoms, as they're playing without the perks of having weaker kingdoms to use as food for growth.

    my suggestions? ANY of the below.

    A: a consolidation of kingdoms to allow ALL kingdoms to reach 25 provinces without going through the recruiting/invitation process. Being unable to reach over 20 provinces without invitations seems like the whole process is geared towards keeping those in the top 10 IN the top 10 without any real effort.

    B: an increase in the number of kingdoms on the server, while dropping the total number of provinces in a kingdom to 20.

    C: disallowing provinces to attack into kingdoms with a lower (or higher) number of provinces, or at least making it less profitable (eg as if attacking into kingdom at war, or hitting a prov with GBP/out of range).

    I believe that any of these changes would make the game a bit more competitive and would force players to rely on their own skill, rather than relying on those less skilled.

    I know that there's a 0% chance of any of these measures being taken and that this post will likely become a thing of ridicule, but I have faith that there are more players out there that would like to see a change than players that will disagree with me. :)

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    as expected. :)

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    25 prov kd's are far better (especially the top ones) than aything below 25. In part that's why they are able to so easily have 25.

    A. the point about invitations doesn't make any sense. Invites/recruiting is open to all kd's, it just so happens that top players would rather play in kd's wth commensurate leadership and activity lvls amongst the players.

    B. As for making it 20, the reason why so many 20 prov kd's are bad in the first place is that the leadership is horrible. Making more kd's would just further delude the leadership in the game.

    C. there is sliding gains based relative kd nw. Taking away any whoring would certainly hang the game, but i dont see why we should further make it so that there are 2 games being played instead of 1.
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    A: happens already at age start, can also be done at age end for free

    B: we lack people to lead kingdoms this will worsen the problem

    C: hitting a smaller kingdom is already less profitable as smaller kds have gains protection.

    The 20 prov autofill isn't working though, more effort should be made to fit people where they are wanted. The ingame recruitment is great though.

    edit: many 20 prov kds are that size by choice btw.
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    This leads me to believe that there's a lack of balance in the game. The 20 province kingdoms will never chart in anything but WW, and this is not from a lack of skill. If anything, I believe that 25 prov kds are actually less skilled than the 20 prov kingdoms, as they're playing without the perks of having weaker kingdoms to use as food for growth.
    My ghetto some ages ago was top 10 nw/land with 21 provs. Its not hard to place yourself in the top 10 these days..

    A: a consolidation of kingdoms to allow ALL kingdoms to reach 25 provinces without going through the recruiting/invitation process. Being unable to reach over 20 provinces without invitations seems like the whole process is geared towards keeping those in the top 10 IN the top 10 without any real effort.
    They would still be fodder, cause you dont get good players just cause you get a full kingdom.

    B: an increase in the number of kingdoms on the server, while dropping the total number of provinces in a kingdom to 20.
    Thats just moving it a notch down, 20 prov kds would be the new 25 prov kds.

    C: disallowing provinces to attack into kingdoms with a lower (or higher) number of provinces, or at least making it less profitable (eg as if attacking into kingdom at war, or hitting a prov with GBP/out of range).
    You want to punish the people that actually dedicates time to utopia and promote those that dont dedicate enough to utopia, why? :(

    I believe that any of these changes would make the game a bit more competitive and would force players to rely on their own skill, rather than relying on those less skilled.
    The kingdoms at the top are there for a reason, cause they are the best kingdoms out there.

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    In response to topsy:

    A. It also allows for those players/kingdoms willing to pay for needed invitations to have an advantage over those that are not willing, or able. In a free to play game.

    B: The question was never why 20 province kingdoms are so bad, it was about the fact that most 20 province kingdoms will never become anything more.

    And thanks for taking the time to talk, instead of just flame. :)

    Bishop: Excellent answers.
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    A: you can fill up to 25 from 1 for 0 usd at age end. We also give out free invitations every 3 weeks and 3 at the start of the age.

    b: 20 prov kds will become 15 prov kds - the issue is leadership.

    edit: I think if we want to assist kingdoms we need better methods of introducing the game concepts to players.
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    C: disallowing provinces to attack into kingdoms with a lower (or higher) number of provinces

    LOL. (Max kd size - 1) for the crown.

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    I don't think that leadership is the entire issue. How many NEW players would you estimate quit the game after leaving protection because they're discouraged by constantly being hit by larger kingdoms? What good is the leadership there? Retaliation only gets the kingdom attacked further, and in most cases never happens because of that very reason. I don't see different leadership as the answer to fixing that.

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    This is a competitive PvP game, you cant remove the competitive PvP part. What stops the the smaller kingdoms being larger and also attacking?
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    Korp: "They would still be fodder, cause you dont get good players just cause you get a full kingdom. "

    So you're saying that 25 province kingdoms don't actively LOOK for 20 province kingdoms to abuse? C'mon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop View Post
    This is a competitive PvP game, you cant remove the competitive PvP part. What stops the the smaller kingdoms being larger and also attacking?
    25 province kingdoms that are afraid to fight with other 25 province kingdoms. :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALPHAyOMEGA View Post
    Korp: "They would still be fodder, cause you dont get good players just cause you get a full kingdom. "

    So you're saying that 25 province kingdoms don't actively LOOK for 20 province kingdoms to abuse? C'mon.
    25 province kingdoms look for kingdoms in their range to hit.

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    25 province kingdoms that are afraid to fight with other 25 province kingdoms. :p
    I dont follow, kingdoms that are afraid to war should be boosted somehow? Knowledge is power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop View Post
    25 province kingdoms look for kingdoms in their range to hit.



    I dont follow, kingdoms that are afraid to war should be boosted somehow? Knowledge is power.
    What I'm saying is, that because new or smaller players are subjected to being fodder for the larger kingdoms, they will never get the chance to be anything BUT fodder.

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