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    Game Needs More Good kds Competing

    There's been a lot of complaining about Absalom ruining the game by dominating the top and not letting anyone else compete. These accusations are false. Absalom doesn't win the majority of the time. Going back 20 ages (that stretches back to the end of Playboys), Abs has won 7 crowns, 9 if you insist on including HoH, which you shouldn't. So 11/20 crowns were won by kds who were 100% non-affiliated with Absalom. It's not like there's no room to compete.

    THE PROBLEM is that there aren't enough people competing. Of course Abs is sitting at the top. They're the only good kds left in the game. The top 4 is very appropriate because that's really about it. What's frustrating is that there COULD be so much more.

    Where is BiO? They haven't tagged in 2 ages. Have they had any success? Did they do anything? Do they still exist? It's like Flogger left and then baka gave up.

    Simians spends their time annoying bad/beaten up kds and generally looking for excuses to play dirty as some sort of backwards justice system for their self-imposed double hostile when they tried to crown. You're multi-notice was a huge gamble, it didn't pay off, and it cost you our crown. Get over it and stop being perpetually butt-hurt about it. You say that you assembled a roster that can compete with ANYONE and then you go and completely ignore all the actual competition and instead get into stupid hostiles with kds have your size vulture of TFC leftovers for absolutely no reason. If you don't want people to think you're a ghetto, stop acting like a ghetto and start acting like a relevant kd.

    Snizzo/PewPew are trying their hardest but they just can't find success. At least they aren't quitting. I'll give them a lot more credit than 90% of the kds on the server.

    Sillcats (speaking of not tagging...) are one of the best kds on server. They can beat just about anyone, but they refuse to give any kind of real effort towards playing the REAL game. With the game more war oriented than ever it's absolutely silly to NOT try to war to a crown. Quit being scarred little kitties and do something.



    Dear good players sitting in terrible kds,
    Assemble a new cool kd and do something. You can claim all you want about how good you are. Talk is cheap and if you're kd is garbage then you are garbage. I don't care what you've done. All that means is you used to be good.

    Dear Decent kds who refuse to grow at all and want to war,
    Warring is a lot more fun at the top with kds who can actually beat you. Winning (and even losing) a close game is always 1000% more fun than an absolute blowouts. Stop taking the easy way out and actually challenge yourself to get better.

    Dear ghetto players who want to be in a top kd,
    It's not nearly as much of a boy's club as your other ghetto buddies who don't know what they're talking about will tell you. Get in touch with them. Go to their IRC chans. Ask if they've got a spot. If you've got a smartphone you're prolly in a good position to play SOMEWHERE decent.

    Dear bad monarchs,
    Challenging other bad monarchs doesn't make you better. It reinforces all your bad habits that make you bad. You learn nothing in the ways of strategy. You learn nothing in the ways of being better. All you learn is that the other ghetto was worse than you are.

    Dear ghettos sitting on 20 provs,
    RECRUIT SOMEONE! Seriously, it's not hard.


    Get better utopia. This is embarrassing. The top 10 used to mean something. Now a kd who can't attack gets into a 2 week hostile, drops 7-8 spots and gets back into the top 10 without even trying.

    I want to see a cool community of kds again. Not Absalom, their buddy HoH, whatever kd flogger is in, and a possible wildcard.


    This rant is over for now, but not for a lack of more things to rant about.

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    The big irony in this post is that its come from a guy that plays in a kd with 25 faerys :)

    Sillcats (speaking of not tagging...) are one of the best kds on server. They can beat just about anyone, but they refuse to give any kind of real effort towards playing the REAL game. With the game more war oriented than ever it's absolutely silly to NOT try to war to a crown. Quit being scarred little kitties and do something.
    They been tagged since before xmas.. But yet again your words rings hallow consider you pick a kingdom that has no real chance of competing with anyone
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    Agree with Korp.

    Why don't u start making Utopia a better game from ur own kd, Palem?

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    My jaw dropped when i saw we were back into the top 10.

    I'll admit when i started up again and I was in a ghetto, the thought of being even in the top 100 seemed impossible. But once i found an organized kingdom, i was amazed how easy getting in the top 100 was. You dont need to set alarms, you don't need to use skype, hell some people dont even use IRC. you just need to find some other like minded players that want to learn and improve their game and have some semblance of teamwork and the willingness to log in once a day.

    I've met some players who are in their first age ever, and with a little knowledge transfer they are doing amazing. Ask questions, try things out and don't be afraid to get lose, you learn a lot that way too.

    I'd love for there to be some more 'top' KDs emerge, for the NW gap to be smaller among top kingdoms and have some new fresh KD shake up the top 10.

    Gehtto players unite!

    In response to Korp and Drug:




    Noone in the TFC is here to crown, we are here to play with a self imposed handicap for the lols and give ourselves a challenge whilst making bishop find new ways to nerf faeries :) I think palem's done a great job making utopia a better game, and our kingdom is doing fine for what we want it to be.

    I think the biggest problem is that people don't think they can compete, dont think they can lead a KD into the charts, but they are wrong. Unlike a lot of games where there is a huge gap between the top players and avg players, utopia has a small one. Take avg SC III player vs anyone playing competitively and it would be a blow out of epic proportions, and no amount of short term training could fix that. In utopia if you took a rank 200 KD who wanted to rank, and gave them some guidance, they'd be top 100 in no time, if not top 10 if they wanted to put in the effort.
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    Dear people whining about good/formerly good and otherwise busy people not wanting to invest the time in competing for a crown,


    We are busy, back off. We do not like spending two hours in pms in IRC with monarchs who are ego drive a-holes and usually not nice to talk to. We do not have time to train everyone how to whore and how to play up there. We do not enjoy dealing with all the BS up top. We do not enjoy being the only target in the top 10 because we are the only KD there who does NOT have NAPS with the other 9 kingdoms because we do not have the time to spend setting them all up. We do not enjoy dealing with trying and then being ridiculed for being nubs when we do try and fail. We do not enjoy the game much over rung 15 because to go further than that, you have to turn yourself into something that most of us do not enjoy.

    We like casual play. We do not spend hours obsessing over the optimal build or kingdom composition. We do not want to do that. We like letting people play more or less what they like. We enjoy taking vacations, seeing our kids, being good at our jobs, etc.

    So, stop whining about it. let those that want to play that game do so and leave the rest of us out of it. While you are at it, stop trying to force game changes to appease those 5-7 kingdoms that want to play that game and hamper teh enjoyment of the game for the rest of us.

    Thank you.

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    Noone in the TFC is here to crown, we are here to play with a self imposed handicap for the lols and give ourselves a challenge whilst making bishop find new ways to nerf faeries :) I think palem's done a great job making utopia a better game, and our kingdom is doing fine for what we want it to be.
    If you fail to see the irony in Palems posts you are beyond saving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korp View Post
    The big irony in this post is that its come from a guy that plays in a kd with 25 faerys :)
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    Agree with Korp.

    Why don't u start making Utopia a better game from ur own kd, Palem?
    I try and do the very best with what I want to play with. I don't run from the kds who can beat me. I feel very comfortable saying I'm doing more than either of you.

    They been tagged since before xmas.. But yet again your words rings hallow consider you pick a kingdom that has no real chance of competing with anyone
    Where? I haven't seen them tagged all age. Running through the charts quick I don't see them. When I search through the charts for either Silly, Pink, or Cats, I get no returns. Same for SPGC.

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    I would tell you palem, but no locs allowed.

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    I see it korp, we are a KD that could go for the gold is not.
    That aside the top is not competitive and like Sheister said, right now there is a lot of BS at the top and its highly locked down with NAP, making it hard to compete. And what I'm saying is, people need to realize that if they want to, they can find like minded people and get into the top KDs easily, and thats good for everyone and the game itself.
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    So u basically want every1 to seriously compete while ur own kd is just f*cking around in top10 instead of doing serious stuff there? lol imo

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    We do not like spending two hours in pms in IRC with monarchs who are ego drive a-holes and usually not nice to talk to.
    There is no need for that, shows how little you know.

    We do not have time to train everyone who to whore and how to play up there.
    If you need to train people to whore, there is like one thing that you should keep in mind, hit smart.

    We do not enjoy being the only target in the top 10 because we are the only KD there who does NOT have NAPS with the other 9 kingdoms because we do not have the time to spend setting them all up.
    lol, dont flatter yourself. You have no insight in the top now so why do you even pretend to know and write something silly like that?

    We like casual play. We do not spend hours obsessing over the optimal build or kingdom composition. We do not want to do that. We like letting people play more or less what they like. We enjoy taking vacations, seeing our kids, being good at our jobs, etc.
    You are probably the most ignorant and arrogant player on these boards atm. You dont need to spend countless of hours infront of utopia cause you are on the top, if you think you need to sacrifice seeing your kids or sacrifice your job for being at the top you are just sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheister View Post
    We like casual play. We do not spend hours obsessing over the optimal build or kingdom composition. We do not want to do that. We like letting people play more or less what they like. We enjoy taking vacations, seeing our kids, being good at our jobs, etc.
    TFC is casual, noone sets alarms, we dont even use skype, palem only uses pimp because i brow beat him into it :)
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    Cats are tagged.

    And as to the "not being a big gap between average and top players". The problem is that your looking at the wrong metric. Currently, as Palem is saying, noone outside of the top 7 kd's try to acquire land. For almost everyone else land is one of the most worthless resources in the game, as its counterproductive to their goals, i.e. WW. So yeah, it would be easy for those kd's to get more land, but only because they are competing for it against kd's that arent interested in acquiring it. Once they get to the kd's that do care about it though, the skill/activity/coordination/preperation gap is absolutely massive. It takes a huge amount of activity and skill to be ablee to both compete for land oow and in war against the people who are actually decent at doing so. Anyone who tries to(aka most of the non-abs kd's that Palem thinks should be trying) would only be gaining land so as to give it freely to the better kd's. As it currently stands, the more kd's that try to chart the better chance abs has, since it allows them more bad kd's to farm. It's easy to say there aren't any kd's with land after the top kd's have taken all of their acres.

    The trick would be making it so all kd's try to get land, without the massive skill/activity gap leading to the game just being a game of "who farms out the ghetto at the right time".
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    I try and do the very best with what I want to play with. I don't run from the kds who can beat me. I feel very comfortable saying I'm doing more than either of you.
    You whine about there isnt enough people competing while you play in a kd that has no chance ever of winning pretty much thanks to the race setup. So how is that doing something, you do your own thing you are not competive?

    Where? I haven't seen them tagged all age. Running through the charts quick I don't see them. When I search through the charts for either Silly, Pink, or Cats, I get no returns. Same for SPGC.
    Ofc they werent tagged with the correct name now but ive seen them plenty. Just look at the top of the honor charts and you will see them!

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    We like casual play. We do not spend hours obsessing over the optimal build or kingdom composition. We do not want to do that. We like letting people play more or less what they like. We enjoy taking vacations, seeing our kids, being good at our jobs, etc.
    We can take another thing as an example, the age i played in TFC they ended 6th in the charts. The kd was pretty much consisted of newbies or people that didnt have any relevant top experince ie their monarch Palem. Activity wasnt either top notch, people log in, dice and did log out, irc activity was crap, etc pretty mediocre kingdom yet they did end up in top 10 eoa. you dont have to be dead serious to end up in the top.

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