question on ambush

[Octaedron]

Do you need to add the random factor in on an ambush or do you send exactly 80% raw of your targets calculated ambush def?

[Petrified]

Random factor doesn't exist in attacking in general. Send a tiny bit more than required and you will win every single time. Tested on literally thousands of attacks.

[Octaedron]

I'll just assume it does exist... is there a difference in its applicability between a trad march and an ambush?

[Shifty11]

Tactician:
Opponent's defense random factors are negated, but your offense random factors are still chanced.
Tact = Mod Def x 1.036

Non Tactician:
Both offense and defense have random factors.
Non Tact = Mod Def x 1.072

Ambushing to the best of my knowledge does not require oversending to meet random factors - but to be a skilled attacker it is good to learn to do it all the time anyway.

[Landro]

There is *NO* random factor in ambushes. Just make sure to send at least 1 more point to break and you will always succeed.

Just remember that the only mod that applies is the -20% mod on defense. Warhorses attack as normal (+1 point/horse) and don't defend.
ospecs defend with the value of the dspecs of that race. (Human ospecs defend at 80% of 4 points each and Elf ospecs defend with 80% of 5 points each)

[Topsy]

Landro is correct.

[crazynut]

Landro, do u mean Human Ospecs defend at 5 and elf Ospecs defend at 4?

[Bishop]

Random factor doesn't exist in attacking in general. Send a tiny bit more than required and you will win every single time. Tested on literally thousands of attacks.

Wrong, the random factor is +-3.5% applied to both provinces with a ratio of .97 required to succeed. Ambush has no random factor though.

Landro, do u mean Human Ospecs defend at 5 and elf Ospecs defend at 4?

All specs defend at racialdspecvalue*.8

from wiki:
Raw Offense Required = [(Target's Elites sent*Racial Elite Defense Value) + (Target's Offspecs Sent*Racial Defspec Value) + Soldiers] * 0.8

[crazynut]

Thats clear, Thanks bishop

[Petrified]

Wrong, the random factor is +-3.5% applied to both provinces with a ratio of .97 required to succeed. Ambush has no random factor though.

Nope. 9 wars in a row now entire kingdom oversending around 1% and not a SINGLE bounce due to your random factors. That is a sample of over 3000 attacks. We fail 1.5% of our attacks on average and all of them because people are stupid and hit wrong targets, input wrong numbers, target gets solds etc. I myself oversend by less than 1% (several others do as well) and I have not bounced in two ages now. Nice try though.

Just this last war we bounced 2 out of 212. One was because of a drunk and another because the target's defense went up between multitaps due to increased ME.

[Bishop]

You are incorrect and have now been officially corrected, please refrain from deliberately posting misleading information in here.

[Arrhenius]

The odds of breaking through are pretty good if you oversend by 1%, or even send target def, because of the 0.97 requirement to succeed. I've done the calc before, but don't have it with me right now.

I've gambled before by oversending just 1-2% and bounced, so it can happen.

[Persain]

Nope. 9 wars in a row now entire kingdom oversending around 1% and not a SINGLE bounce due to your random factors. That is a sample of over 3000 attacks. We fail 1.5% of our attacks on average and all of them because people are stupid and hit wrong targets, input wrong numbers, target gets solds etc. I myself oversend by less than 1% (several others do as well) and I have not bounced in two ages now. Nice try though.

Just this last war we bounced 2 out of 212. One was because of a drunk and another because the target's defense went up between multitaps due to increased ME.

AHH petrified now i know why u guys bounced on me, by doing this. Specifically on a prov i was sitting last age. You THOUGHT i got solds but you bounced before the aid packet hit, we aren't that pro sometimes. Wondered y u bounced at the time now i know, sending tactics lol :P

[Petrified]

AHH petrified now i know why u guys bounced on me, by doing this. Specifically on a prov i was sitting last age. You THOUGHT i got solds but you bounced before the aid packet hit, we aren't that pro sometimes. Wondered y u bounced at the time now i know, sending tactics lol :P

Which province was this? Most of the bounces against your kingdom were because people hit totally different targets than they meant to hit. I am quite sure the bounces were due to sending mistakes rather than the random factor that doesn't exist. Even if we go with the ridiculous assumption that nobody in our kingdom makes sending mistakes or gets soldier bounced and every bounce is because we oversend just 1%, the numbers do not fit whatsoever. Simply not enough raw bounces.

[Bishop]

Let me be clear here, if you insist on posting factually incorrect statements you have been warned about again you will be banned. At least vines was amusing.

If you'd like to learn how the random factor works and why statistically you would expect to succeed 92% of the time sending 1% over and 50% of the time undersending 3% then we can do that.