Evil Dragons...

[Parth]

Pardon me for being a little bit anal with getting facts straight. This was the message I sent:
Sender The Conniving King As Eighteens Porn of Ephemera vulgata (2:10)
Recipient King S_L the Sorcerer of World of Dilemma (6:1)
Subject War
Hi. We would like to war you. Theres without argument some sizedifferance atm. I'd be willing to make a deal to overcome that, if you are interested at all. Either give you a few days to explore some acres, or you could possibly get some hits on by us selected provinces and 48 hours to pump up those acres...I dont know, Im just saying Im willing to deal a bit if you are interested...so please get back to me.

That second option there mentions 48 hours after the land comes in, not 48 hours total, and the very next line says that Im willing to deal a bit. If you had said three or four days, even five, we would have taken that deal. Why? Cause we want to war you, and we are not worried about doing so on fair terms.

lets see, being smaller by 1mil NW when the offer came in --> 48 hrs to hit prov of ED's choice and to train up (if it is even possible) anyone wuld take up the offer?
I believe anyone in the right frame of mind will say no to this offer. then came the 2 "random" hits...

[S_L]

One of our smallest provinces 2x learns you for approx 130k science. You respond by starving a few of our provinces, keep us under 24h meteors and hit our biggest T/Ms for approx 700acres.
Wtf did you expect? That we (a bigger and more pumped kd) would just sit there taking it while you hit our key provs?

We tried numerous times to tell you that a newb in our kd made those 2 hits totally unsanctioned by leadership. I'm pretty sure we even offered free retals on that prov to keep this conflict from escalating.

We got nothing at all to gain from this and tried our best to avoid it. But the last hit you made was, frankly put, like pissing us in the face.

I can assure you I got not offer at ALL to get back at that newb prov. all you said was 3 free hits and CF or free wave...

correction: I did respond by offering my humble view, which then you DID NOT reply. so yeah, welcome to the sh*thole, we have been drag into so many last age, we sort of know how to pull one off too. =)

[Parth]

So come and teach us. We're right here. We were fine leaving you alone cause yes, we are a great deal bigger. You cry bloody murder, tho we gave you every chance to walk away. Now you say you know how to pull it off...so start pulling, dont sit there and whine. And when we get the warwin, dont even think about complaining about an unfair fight.

[S_L]

So come and teach us. We're right here. We were fine leaving you alone cause yes, we are a great deal bigger. You cry bloody murder, tho we gave you every chance to walk away. Now you say you know how to pull it off...so start pulling, dont sit there and whine. And when we get the warwin, dont even think about complaining about an unfair fight.

looks like you have no idea about the sh*thole that I refer to... so a heads up, we went to a month long hostile before... so yeah, that's the sh*thole I was talking about. =) cheers
dun worry, its starting to come... and how did you know I was sitting down while typing all these "whines"? you are good!!! =)

[NoseBlood]

I can assure you I got not offer at ALL to get back at that newb prov. all you said was 3 free hits and CF or free wave...

correction: I did respond by offering my humble view, which then you DID NOT reply. so yeah, welcome to the sh*thole, we have been drag into so many last age, we sort of know how to pull one off too. =)

mm yea, its silly how powerful ops are in UF, consider how long it takes to get rid of lets say just 20 hostile points. Thats like 4 days of ms/aw/amnesia. Broken, relations are broken. (srsly need to give points to offencive spells, this is getting ridiculous)

[silverfox]

looks like you have no idea about the sh*thole that I refer to... so a heads up, we went to a month long hostile before... so yeah, that's the sh*thole I was talking about. =) cheers
dun worry, its starting to come... and how did you know I was sitting down while typing all these "whines"? you are good!!! =)

Ok well thanks for the heads up Sun Tzu, maybe you want to pop your CBs up on the forums for us while you're at it. :)

[Feint]

If you did give us every chance to walk away, why still wave us??

[silverfox]

Why still op us??

[zmasternr1]

Feint & SL. I don't know how many of our messages you have actually seen. A few of our players messaged your monarch when he occasionally shown online, but only got silence back.
You have no irc channel either so it's really hard to discuss things with you.

I don't like all the flaming I see here. I fear it will turn into another grudge that can last until eoa with no kd willing to back off. We both have chances at the nr1 honor spot. Neither of us got anything to win, or prove, by doing this.
The only kds that benefit from this are the other top honor ones.

Understand that we can't stop while we got an open hostile with you. You will keep us under meteors 24/7 and can pretty much declare+wave us anytime you want.
If you are unwilling to war us and want us to stop attacking all you have to do is offer cf. We will accept it and we won't hit you again.

If that's not possible you can come to our irc channel or message our monarch ingame and say your terms.

Like someone said, our leadership is a bit more soft this age (parth excluded-_-).

[Hunting]

Lol, this topic is fun!

[Parth]

I love this "One sided hostile".

April 22 of YR8 A Sapphire Dragon from ED one-sided hostile (x:x) has begun ravaging our lands!

[SillyRabbit]

Dragon is not hostile action. SWEA and my kd both had dragons started at each other, but pew was justified in waving us.

[Parth]

ok...thanks for informing me. I would probably also be wrong if I claimed I see a differance in STARTING a dragon and SENDING a dragon?

[S_L]

Feint & SL. I don't know how many of our messages you have actually seen. A few of our players messaged your monarch when he occasionally shown online, but only got silence back.
You have no irc channel either so it's really hard to discuss things with you.

I don't like all the flaming I see here. I fear it will turn into another grudge that can last until eoa with no kd willing to back off. We both have chances at the nr1 honor spot. Neither of us got anything to win, or prove, by doing this.
The only kds that benefit from this are the other top honor ones.

Understand that we can't stop while we got an open hostile with you. You will keep us under meteors 24/7 and can pretty much declare+wave us anytime you want.
If you are unwilling to war us and want us to stop attacking all you have to do is offer cf. We will accept it and we won't hit you again.

If that's not possible you can come to our irc channel or message our monarch ingame and say your terms.

Like someone said, our leadership is a bit more soft this age (parth excluded-_-).

I agree, tt is exactly y i propose tt we move on when the unfriendly relationship was gone and when i got the threaten pm saying we have to give 3 free hits and cf if not prepared to wave coz we apparently "stepped over the line". It could be well over then, until we were waved. There was no more ops when the status was clear.

I dun mean any hostile towards ED, if its a newb who made the mistake then F him upside-down internally and move on with it. Just my view

[ofgortens]

I would say sending a dragon is a pretty hostile relation. Starting a drake really doesnt do any harm as it's just a paper filler... if BoB is sending drakes at ED as well as continuing with ops... there's really nothing else ED can do but continue to hit until diplo is resolved.

Also, it sounds like this is all in game / forum diplo which is a very poor way to do things. Much easier if you have a conversation on IRC which it looks like ED has given as an option but BoB is not wanting to talk?

In game msgs can be misinterpreted and understood which conversation on IRC clears up most of the time.