So, Utopian Police?

[AquaSeaFoam]

To the masses that consider themselves the Utopian Police (based on other recent threads):

Earlier, Havoc gave notice to AMA in an attempt to have a fair 1v1 fight with them. Elitbg instead chose to use Sanctuary as an excuse to try and deny their notice and dodge this fight. This resulted in Sanctuary doing some gc stealing on them and then Elitbg waving Sanctuary in an attempt to avoid Havoc but it didn't work and resulted in the previous mess.

Havoc won the war, but Elitbg justifiably felt he was disadvantaged by having initiated another fight while trying to dodge Havoc and then still having to fight Havoc anyway. After the war, AMA and and Havoc were nearly exactly the same size (under 1k acres difference). Havoc, recognizing that Elit had put himself at a disadvantage by trying to dodge their first fight, challenged AMA to a rematch on fair terms at even sizes with no outside interference and no dodging.

This fight initiated immediately following their post war. Havoc had used their Human core with ToG to establish dragon control over AMA. AMA then came out of fortified and robbed two dragons worth of gc from Sanctuary (whom they still refused to cf from earlier).

Why won't AMA just fight Havoc 1v1? Why do they instead try and manufacture "double hostiles" both fights? I'll tell you why. It's because they'd rather be able to whine about "getting doubled" (at their own initiative) than lose to Havoc in a 1v1 fight.

So, Utopian Police, is it fair to rob two dragons worth of gc from an outside kingdom in your hostile, and if so, is it fair for that kingdom getting robbed to defend itself?

[Palem]

Is the point of this thread to drag Elit through the mud? Or to try and justify Havoc's blantant wave into a hostile?

It seems weird that you're coming to the forums with this instead of doing the usual Abs thing of doing what you wanted in the first place and then coming in and playing damage control and explaining why you did what you did.

[DHaran]

So pathetic watching you try to make it out like it was someone else's fault that you doubled AMA.

[Avalanche]

lol. just lol. pathetic

[AquaSeaFoam]

Right now, Havoc and AMA supposedly have a 1v1 hostile after exiting their last war even sized.

AMA is mass robbing Sanc out of that supposed 1v1 hostile. Is this really legit? Is this new attempt by Elit to make a new "double" not worthy of being discussed? The pathetic part is that some people are so biased that they ignore Elit intentionally trying to create doubles to save face from losing to Havoc 1v1.

If sanc were to fight back are you going to be here complaining about a new double again? How is it fair for Elit to mass rob Sanc out of his hostile with Havoc and then claim a double if Sanc does anything back?

[Korp]

Right now, Havoc and AMA supposedly have a 1v1 hostile after exiting their last war even sized.

AMA is mass robbing Sanc out of that supposed 1v1 hostile. Is this really legit? Is this new attempt by Elit to make a new "double" not worthy of being discussed? The pathetic part is that some people are so biased that they ignore Elit intentionally trying to create doubles to save face from losing to Havoc 1v1.

If sanc were to fight back are you going to be here complaining about a new double again? How is it fair for Elit to mass rob Sanc out of his hostile with Havoc and then claim a double if Sanc does anything back?

Sanc isnt allowed to fight back thats what you you should think at least. Since acording to you AMA wasnt allowed to fight back against Sanc when Sanc was stealing all their gold and when they did they were just dodging Havoc. How that makes any sense is beyond me thou ..

Earlier, Havoc gave notice to AMA in an attempt to have a fair 1v1 fight with them. Elitbg instead chose to use Sanctuary as an excuse to try and deny their notice and dodge this fight. This resulted in Sanctuary doing some gc stealing on them and then Elitbg waving Sanctuary in an attempt to avoid Havoc but it didn't work and resulted in the previous mess.

You do realize that if Sanc didnt steal any gold from AMA they wouldnt have a excuse to wave Sanc? If it was some solo kingdom stealing gold from a Abs kingdom while another solo kd would have noticed the said abs kingdom there certainly would been a gangbang on the first solo kd. But its seems its ok to do ****ty stuff as long as your kingdom is named something Absalom.

[Persain]

Its always fine to steal gold from someone to fund your dragons/war. The risk is u run into a double hostile...since the spin is that sanc+havoc will gladly double hostile AMA based on the past theres zero downside to stealing sancs gold as there justification to say a double hostile was going to happen again anyway.

Again we go back to the point Sanc-AMA are fighting even though havoc has noticed AMA. Question is at what point do u let Sanc-AMA fight things out 1-sided or not before "alliance" mates step in (this applies to round 1 and round 2 of AMA v Havoc). No good answer here seems like Elit won the PR battle this age against ABS.

[brado]

Sanc isnt allowed to fight back thats what you you should think at least. Since acording to you AMA wasnt allowed to fight back against Sanc when Sanc was stealing all their gold and when they did they were just dodging Havoc. How that makes any sense is beyond me thou ..

Nobody ever said they were not allowed to fight back, we said it was not smart to fight back, since that would not allow them to dodge Havoc, whether or not that was their intent.

If it was some solo kingdom stealing gold from a Abs kingdom while another solo kd would have noticed the said abs kingdom there certainly would been a gangbang on the first solo kd.

The scenario you describe happens every single age, and there has never even been consideration of a GB, we simply CF those kds if possible, or train more TPA, because we know that waving a kd for stealing gold when you've been noticed by any other KD is not smart.

[Korp]

Nobody ever said they were not allowed to fight back, we said it was not smart to fight back, since that would not allow them to dodge Havoc, whether or not that was their intent.

Obviously ASF feels that way cause it was AMA that "dodged" Havoc by hitting Sanc instead. Besides, if you read what ASF writes its quite clear how he sees things.

The scenario you describe happens every single age, and there has never even been consideration of a GB, we simply CF those kds if possible, or train more TPA, because we know that waving a kd for stealing gold when you've been noticed by any other KD is not smart.

Sure it does :) Its quite sad how brainwashed absalomites become.

[Elit]

AquaSeaFoam, Havoc didn't won his war against AMA. Your RETARD alliance double hostile us and its cost us loss all cows. When sanctuary robed us its was not hostile action, when they send dragon and we trade hits for 48h its was not hostile but now when we rob them you complain. If some one need to complain its me. We had clear better play all age from rest kds in top. We had clear win age after our war vs Sanc and beat havoc was very easy if you didn't Double hostile us. If you want to show some honor compensate us with all losses and come talk again after it.

[Cello]

What Elit said, and Sanctuary owed us some gold for robbing Havoc for god knows how much when their CF was dropped, obviously, and used it to send a dragon at us at the time.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Persian, Havoc and AMA were already in a full two-way hostile here when AMA robbed Sanc out of it. It wasn't just a notice thing here. Sanc has yet to do anything back to AMA. If they do, obviously the biased people will cry about a double hostile again.

[Elit]

Persian, Havoc and AMA were already in a full two-way hostile here when AMA robbed Sanc out of it. It wasn't just a notice thing here. Sanc has yet to do anything back to AMA. If they do, obviously the biased people will cry about a double hostile again.

Before Sanctuary and Havoc double us we had 2 cows on 20k+ acres and havoc had only 1 on 18k acres. We had over 30k land size advantage. Win against havoc was very easy if you didn't double hostile us. Double hostile cost us loss all cows. Its HUGE dmg. Being same size when Havoc got 4 UB cows vs zero its insane advantage. Its NOT fair match already and its never was possible if you didn't double hostile us. Its why they had control over dragons.

Back all our land to cows and Havoc being 30k smaller from us and we can have FAIR 1VS1 WAR IF YOU DARE !

p.s. Dont forget Sanctuary intra alliance farmed gold during his hostile vs AMA !!!

[Drug]

To the masses that consider themselves the Utopian Police (based on other recent threads):

Earlier, Havoc gave notice to AMA in an attempt to have a fair 1v1 fight with them. Elitbg instead chose to use Sanctuary as an excuse to try and deny their notice and dodge this fight. This resulted in Sanctuary doing some gc stealing on them and then Elitbg waving Sanctuary in an attempt to avoid Havoc but it didn't work and resulted in the previous mess.

Havoc won the war, but Elitbg justifiably felt he was disadvantaged by having initiated another fight while trying to dodge Havoc and then still having to fight Havoc anyway. After the war, AMA and and Havoc were nearly exactly the same size (under 1k acres difference). Havoc, recognizing that Elit had put himself at a disadvantage by trying to dodge their first fight, challenged AMA to a rematch on fair terms at even sizes with no outside interference and no dodging.

This fight initiated immediately following their post war. Havoc had used their Human core with ToG to establish dragon control over AMA. AMA then came out of fortified and robbed two dragons worth of gc from Sanctuary (whom they still refused to cf from earlier).

Why won't AMA just fight Havoc 1v1? Why do they instead try and manufacture "double hostiles" both fights? I'll tell you why. It's because they'd rather be able to whine about "getting doubled" (at their own initiative) than lose to Havoc in a 1v1 fight.

So, Utopian Police, is it fair to rob two dragons worth of gc from an outside kingdom in your hostile, and if so, is it fair for that kingdom getting robbed to defend itself?

Did not Sanc steal gold from Mercy while being in hostile with AMA or it's totally different stories? ;)

Btw Mercy gained upper hand on us in a lame way and now they just use it. Excuse me, but I fail too see any fair fight for us this age more. We had one this age tho, we won it.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Elit, When you're noticed by Havoc and when you're preparing for and fighting Havoc, why won't you just cf Sanc? You claim you played better but if you really were so good, you'd have just fought Havoc 1v1 instead of trying to use Sanc to dodge them and now mass opping another kingdom out of your ongoing hostile.

Smart play means avoiding putting yourself in situations to be doubled. You on the other hand intentionally put your kingdom in situations to be doubled because you would rather whine about a double than risk losing a 1v1 fight.