Is there no room for diplomacy in Utopia any more?

[DHaran]

there was NO deal for the war

Except when TMs were told to not op, provs over 2k were told not to retal, and provs were told to -hour hits for less gains? This was a war structured to protect certain provinces from damage, thus it was a fake war in violation of the rules. It's clear as day from what Bishop just posted.

[gergnub]

I randomed into this ghetto, coincidentally. Their forums are hilarious

Do share!

[Krynn]

those were the instructions from our war general to the kingdom as I understand it, not between Kingdoms.

[DHaran]

those were the instructions from our war general to the kingdom as I understand it, not between Kingdoms.

Alright here's the deal. This war with X:XX has been agreed upon with conditions.

This quote says otherwise.

[Chrystal Palace]

I am pist. I felt sorry for you ass clowns. and how you gonna make your tms just sit their and be bored? I probably would have ran ops on my kd mates out of boredom.





edit: ass clowns are donkeys dressed up as clowns. no way is ass a bad word in this context. it means an animal??? and pist is when its a little windy and misty outside. then you pee into the wind and it creates pist. so you can actually use it as an adjective.

[Bishop]

those were the instructions from our war general to the kingdom as I understand it, not between Kingdoms.

Your war general plays in the opposing kingdom?

[Andr3w]

those were the instructions from our war general to the kingdom as I understand it, not between Kingdoms.

/facepalm..

Which means this "war general" of yours already discussed between the two KDs and decided on the terms. Which was then passed on the rest of the KD members to follow.

Do you not find any part of that "instructions" weird for a KD who fight a war..? If you do not think that counts under arranged fake-war then what does a fake war means in your vocab..? War with 0 exchange of ops and hits?

[Bishop]

We have had a rash of deletions due to a false report of a fake war.

I would also like to point out that you had 1 deletion, one prov was reinstated due to an error on my behalf.

[Kestrel038]

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There was no deal?

Dharan: support is happy to go into more detail publicly to clear up any misrepresentation of facts.

Very good Bishop now show us where WE agreed to anything. show us where WE were a willing party to this apparent "deal". you have access to our forum posts. and our pm's. please show where we agreed to such terms.

Maybe we should declare war on an abs kingdom and make such posts in our own forum.. this will obviously implicate them and get their monarch deleted regardless of whether they agreed to anything or not.

[gergnub]

Very good Bishop now show us where WE agreed to anything. show us where WE were a willing party to this apparent "deal". you have access to our forum posts. and our pm's. please show where we agreed to such terms.

Maybe we should declare war on an abs kingdom and make such posts in our own forum.. this will obviously implicate them and get their monarch deleted regardless of whether they agreed to anything or not.

lol. seriously?

Alright here's the deal. This war with X:XX has been agreed upon with conditions.

oh my.. seems like 2 people agreed..

[Realest]

Do share!

Well, lets learn about "Strategy"

Okay, i'm going to start this thread to try and build up some basic strategy points that we can all refer to at any given time to know what to do. I will make one post for each particular strategy and hopefully we can build a compendium of scenario based strats for all to follow.

***Strat 1 - Chaining Defense/Chaining recovery***

In any war, there are attackers who do not initially get targetted. Either because of high def or an enemy who chains. it is important therefore that those who gain the most untouched, can keep hold of most of it.

Nothing will stop a dedicated chain however we CAN make it much harder for them to do.

CHAIN DEFENSE!!!

If you make a huge grab in a war and you get retalled for it.. then you should rebuild your rax and tg's (together with guilds/towers etc) and train more offense to maintain your hitting ability.. IF HOWEVER you do NOT get retalled and bring your lands home safely. Then you should instead train defense, and build WT's to prevent nightstrikes. If you do another unretalled hit, then you do the same again. This means you may have to hit smaller targets and -1/-2 the hit to keep in line but this is good as it means you do not grow TOO fast. Once you start getting hit of course.. you switch back to TG's and Rax and training offense..

Eventually, the enemy will get around to trying to chain you. THIS IS INEVITABLE. but once you notice the ops begin. Once you start seeing nightstrikes or nightmares etc in your news, then all new lands go into Gurad Stations. The WT's you built previously will slow down the ops and give you time to build the GS to protect the land. you will still get chained but it will take them a LOT more resources and a LOT more hits to do. Giving the kingdom overall a time advantage.

CHAIN RECOVERY!!!!!!!

As i mentioned being chained is an inevitability, The better you are at the game, the more likely you will end up being chained. When this happens there are steps you can take to survive longer and recover faster.

the main problem you will encounter is overpopulation. Too many people means your troops will refuse to fight. Initially only peasants will die, but once you go over a certain population troops will desert also. The solution is to release troops.

The first troops that should go are defspecs of course. Against a lizard if we have one or turned into sols and sent out as aid if not. try to keep 2 defspecs/acre if you can for basic defense. The next thing to go are thieves. If you're 300 acres and only have 5k def.. ops are the least of your worries. (these have to become sols and are best used as aid). After that you may eventually have to release offense. Which troops you release depends a lot on the situation at the time. releasing offspecs will help with dragon killing and keep your total offense high. you do this if you still have several targets around your nw who you can quad.

If however, you have only one or two realistic targets within your nw and can only single/double tap them, you MIGHT be better to release leets instead (to sols and sent as aid). This will lower your nw more, and drop you into range of a better target whom you can attack with specs only for good leet conversion etc. Once you ARE able to send out again, you should speak to one of the council, explain the situation, including the new numbers left to you after releasing, and they will authorise you to drop out of the normal kingdom attacker chain and hit for max gains at -1/-2 hours, get land coming in as quickly as possible. focus on building rax, tgs and armories with this land so that you can train faster..and hit harder and faster as you recover.

Summary!!!!!!!

The main thing with being deep chained.. is never to give up.. and never be afraid to ask for aid. If you're mega deep chained.. you take sols and cash and set land exploring to keep you alive. eventually your tax will cap at 15% regardless.. and you will always stay alive and come back as long as you stick at it. And as the more observant among you will have noticed.. I did not mention releasing wizards.. that's because you don't do it.. not now.. not ever.. in EXTREME circumstances.. when it truly is life and death, you may ask me if you should release wizzies and I will decide at the time.

[hoolio]

It is because you CANT clearly outline it. Lets give an example. If a rule stated, if theres no attacks made every 11h in war, that means its fake war.. Then cheaters who ARE doing fake wars will just do 1 gen 1 soldier bounce every 10.9hours and claim that its still within the rules since he DID attack within 11h..? How is that..? Which peeps will say "Duhhh, give proper rules", how do you define proper? Making the time shorter or etc? Then what happens to KDs who do 25man-waves? Their troops will be out for at least 11h+-, so will that mean if the time limit cur short, they will be banned for fake war, for being over-active KD? :P There is no way to define it clearly when theres obviously so many loopholes if rules were laid out down to the numbers.

and your example of multis... lol are you sure thats multis..? what if thats a KD theme..? Having similar theme names and same spelling type is pretty normal.. So if Sanc Abs hit your prov 3x at the same tick, your reporting them as multis? Their name is pokemon related + same capital at start + most of them have the same race&pers.. so are they a full KD of multis..? (Sorry Sanc, just the first KD with theme names that I can think of :P) And personally, if I am or other peeps are going to play multi, they wont be so dumb to just create the same theme name+ same spelling+same pers..? they'll use diff name at least? even if races/pers are mostly similar...?

@Kestrel, im not getting something...if the other KD was planning to WD asap, why do they even bother to diplo with you and telling you they want to WD asap..? Dont make sense.. Unless its along the line of "Our KD lost the war, we will WD asap, so please do not or refrain from ________" (Fill in the blanks). Other than that I dont see why a KD will announce its intention to WD min time to its war opponent, when they can plan for final wave n etc to reclaim as much as they can.




Dharan comment about ignorant are rude are targetted to overall who posted in this thread.. the above quote is basically 1 example.. So I guess you prefer peeps to get back to you after few days when they have the time..? (Which by then you will have complained extremely about the game does not bother to even read what player posted). Instead of some1 to try to help clarify stuff or give some forms of reply, so that it shows they do read what you post? And do you even own these forums to decide who can/cannot post in this thread? Lawl.

Damn some people are hard to please. Either ways theyre gonna find reasons to be pissed lol.

so what would be so hard to make a ruling to say 'there shall be no wars ending early, should you be left with little to gain or unable to fight back you will still war, you will war constantly until min time and neither monarch will contact the other in any way, form or manner'?
shall i tell you why?....not because it would be difficult to do so but because it is quite simply stupid, when a side is beaten there is NO point in trying to continue and this is where diplomacy enters the game (diplomacy is one of the qualities mentioned that will be needed for the game)
also, because then the rules are clear to people and then they cannot be changed to suit the situation if and when someone feels like it.
Bishop has finally posted what he sees as 'proof'....in all honesty he could have sat and worded it himself to prove himself right, how do we know?
then there is also the fact that many nationalities play this game and english is not the first language of many so there will be some translation problems to face, yet one guy who has all but owned up to being a multi can claim something against other players and see them deleted, someone who is quite capable of throwing some posts together in a forum that he can send to the mods to 'prove' his claim, someone that got upset that DD jumped into 'his' hostile while having a province in the kd he was apparently hostile with and he walks away scot free while others who did nothing wrong get deleted....can people not see the REAL problem here?

Andr3w..why do i get the feeling you are simply jumping in and looking for an argument?
obviously a kd theme is one thing, deliberately misleading and similar names (such as XxooooooXXooooooooxX where the entire kd change the position of the middle 'XX' or use 1 less '0' or one more etc) are an entirely different matter

[DHaran]

What a ridiculous post. Bishop isn't looking at stuff sent to him that has the potential to be fake, he's looking at the in-game messages and posts of the ACTUAL players in question. If you keep posting this kind of BS, it won't end well for you.

[gergnub]

now we are getting somewhere, Bishop fabricating proof. I like it.

[Bishop]

Hi

Very good Bishop now show us where WE agreed to anything. show us where WE were a willing party to this apparent "deal". you have access to our forum posts. and our pm's. please show where we agreed to such terms.

Maybe we should declare war on an abs kingdom and make such posts in our own forum.. this will obviously implicate them and get their monarch deleted regardless of whether they agreed to anything or not.

some of the quotes are from your kingdom.