Havoc vs Simans ( an other dubble hostile from Havoc )

[gergnub]

oh my. isnt this an awkward thread.

[American Badass]

why is simians razing? either man up and war them or accept cf. really just wasting time

Erm? Why would we enter a war that we have < 10% of winning and then get flamed for farming out (again?) or we can screw Havoc for noticing us so maybe in future ages they will not and maybe others will not come to us for "free" acres?

This is not including LL from either side either :

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 34 (3,510 acres)
-- Traditional march: 8 (3,510 acres)
-- Raze: 26 (13,591 acres)
-- Uniques: 19
Total attacks suffered: 39 (16,242 acres)
-- Traditional march: 30 (16,242 acres)
-- Raze: 1 (296 acres)
-- Failed: 8 (20.5% failure)
-- Uniques: 28

[calle]

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 34 (3,510 acres)
-- Traditional march: 8 (3,510 acres)
-- Raze: 26 (13,591 acres)
-- Uniques: 19
Total attacks suffered: 41 (16,242 acres)
-- Traditional march: 30 (16,242 acres)
-- Raze: 1 (296 acres)
-- Failed: 10 (24.4% failure)
-- Uniques: 28



** The kingdom of Simians **
Total land exchanged: -12,732 (34/41)

** The kingdom of Havoc **
Total land exchanged: -859 (41/34)

[goodz]

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 34 (3,510 acres)
-- Traditional march: 8 (3,510 acres)
-- Raze: 26 (13,591 acres)
-- Uniques: 19
Total attacks suffered: 41 (16,242 acres)
-- Traditional march: 30 (16,242 acres)
-- Raze: 1 (296 acres)
-- Failed: 10 (24.4% failure)
-- Uniques: 28



** The kingdom of Simians **
Total land exchanged: -12,732 (34/41)

** The kingdom of Havoc **
Total land exchanged: -859 (41/34)

See this is the kind of logic that is fail.

You are down almost 13k acres in 2 waves. When you could have just given a free wave, not wasted ~2 weeks hiding and only lost ~8k total acres.

[calle]

But Goodz then you gain land we dont want that

[American Badass]

Goodz maybe early age but with 4 days left why get bullied? We have nothing left to play for and we know you do. Also I hate the whole "let us wave you for 20k acres for eoacf" crap that goes on... If we give you free acres you'll just move on to the next for further 20k acres. We ate currently stopping your smallies for using that growing pool of yours!

[calle]

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 38 (3,510 acres)
-- Traditional march: 8 (3,510 acres)
-- Raze: 30 (16,113 acres)
-- Uniques: 23
Total attacks suffered: 52 (22,031 acres)
-- Traditional march: 39 (22,031 acres)
-- Raze: 1 (296 acres)
-- Failed: 12 (23.1% failure)
-- Uniques: 37


** The kingdom of Simians **
Total land exchanged: -18,521 (38/52)

** The kingdom of Havoc **
Total land exchanged: +2,408 (52/38)

[I_am_Spartacus]

Shout out to Simians for all the laughs they've provided.

[DM_Benjamin]

i am not playing atm, seems like another eoa simians farmout. I guess time will tell.

[American Badass]

i am not playing atm, seems like another eoa simians farmout. I guess time will tell.

Destroying more acres than they are taking is a farm out?

[tak3shi]

[16:34:35] <Anri> Well 48h notice deal, cannot be dealt into hostile/war/eowcf
[16:34:44] <Anri> can be dealt from any range/position
[16:34:56] <Anri> Do you agree?
[16:35:07] <goodz> okay
[16:35:22] <Anri> Ok, this reset the old notice
[16:35:24] <goodz> you going after someone else then?
[16:35:40] <Anri> No, just want to make **** right

I am still away. Well, got back today but intend to chill out.
Just wanted to post the CF deal we had. Notice was dealt, well to me. But i was on sitting cause i got married. It was no "how to" notice terms involved here. Its just common courtesy to notice steward/monarch and not some province without this status whilst the enemy knows its being sitted.

This is the most common problem with absalom. They seek out loopholes like this and is douches about it. Goodz, you got the full logg of this and you know i stopped planned razes on your KD when there was a time-frame we could have done it prior to you fighting AMA - Thus Simians allowed you a chance to fight fair for the crown. This was the return of that favour? You notice my province alone when i been gone and on sitting over my wedding.

I think anyone can see the problem with this here unless they really wanna hate on Simians - There is a few out there.

For whatever its worth, i dont think we got doubled or anything from what i can tell.
I just think it was a notice given in very bad sportmanship and with very bad intentions.

Congratulations Anri! Who was the bride, Elit? :P

[flutterby]

See this is the kind of logic that is fail.

You are down almost 13k acres in 2 waves. When you could have just given a free wave, not wasted ~2 weeks hiding and only lost ~8k total acres.

That's because Simians motto is, "We don't take **** from anyone."

[THEjester]

Well, Havoc gave us a bad notice and Havoc being a crown contender for most part of this age it makes it news worthy. If its hostile or not can be debated til your jaws drop.
No matter what people agree upon. It will always set a good example for upcoming ages what constitutes hostile or not.
Because as of right now, its absaloms rule book, what they say goes.

If the public says - It was not a double hostile. Well ok then. What about the notice? Was it done in a bad way? Was it legit at all?
I think it was done in a very bad way and imo it should not be legit to make such a notice.

But hey, this is a Simians approuch to the notice deal. I am sure 50 trolls can turn such a notice into a beutiful and correct/legit move.

EDIT: Bad topic name

Hey Anri:

"Haters gonna Hate" (Kuhan you are easily my fav poster)

(for the recorded i can't believe i am about to do this but: "Right is right and ya'll be twisten stuff every which way)

Who cares why Simians was in hostile he was cleaning up after his kingdoms bonehead mistakes. (Lord knows my monarchs have had to diplo out of enough of my screw ups over the ages)

havoc specifically targeted simians after they had been waved and were still in hostile: Why should Anri have to explain the purpose of his Hostile to Goodz or anyone: just run your opps and see that the monkeys are losing thousands of acres whether they retaling or not its legit.

Wave them if you want, but that is tantamount to kicking someone when they are down. If that's what you are into go for it. Just don't try to justify it. If Havoc answered the initial whining with "yup we waved you what are you gonna do about" I would have been like "oh know they didn't" you would have still been dirtbags but you would have had integrity.

instead Anri shows Integrity and leadership by making something right, the kingdom directly behind them in the charts, and gets kicked in the mouth for it. And the kingdom initiating the tooth kicking wants to act act all sanctimonious come on on if you wanna bully someone at least stand up and take credit for it.

Anri you are a stand up guy:

1. I apologize for all that junk i said over the last 4 ages
2. I apologize for kicking everone out of your IRC 3 ages ago
3. I apologize for the memes i posted
4. I apologize for the memes i didn't post yet ( i have destroyed them except the one with the new ghost busters gorilla)

[Nick_mi]

I like how every time calle posts the stats our acres go up and their aces go down =P

[calle]

Sure we lose but you dont gain thats the point is it not / problem is when there is no more TM gains for you there is still raze for us but i guess you dident think of that that this is the time you gain a few to then lose a lot :D