So many cowardly Kingdoms...

[idiocy]

"[03:05] <Tadpole> You messed up, therefor you can't dictate the outcome of this. You have 3 options. 1) You war us, 2) You give us 3 free sci waves or 3) You will get 72 hours of full opping and we will hit into your hostiles and wars for the remainder of this age.



[03:02] <Tadpole> You hit INTO OUR HOSTILE. And you cost us a war. 3 full sci waves or a war, and grudge be-gone.



[03:14] <Nathz> put a fair option

[03:14] <Nathz> not over do it

[03:14] <Tadpole> You HIT INTO OUR HOSTILE - you're equal nw and land, and I'm asking for a war to square things out. Its NOT an unfair deal.

[03:15] <Tadpole> You're just being a pansy

[03:15] <Nathz> Then war it is

[03:15] <Nathz> to finish this things

[03:15] <Tadpole> Good



Options given by RN. We accept war to finish things up so no need to grudge things as it will turn into a different story. STFO we giving the option they want which is war and they will give us peace and not hold grudge anymore"

so there, war is war. no more threats of interference and bull**** please?

[Tadpole]

Releast, we're the 99%, leave us a corner of the sheet to exist on plox. We already have 5-6 threads dealing with AMA vs Havoc for you to troll in ;)

Idiocy: Scummy of us to wave a larger kd? As for your theories about it not being a wave for war, or chances it wouldn't go to war; well - even your own monarch thought that it would go to war, that was his prime reason for waving us as per his own statements.

As for you sending a CF offer, wasn't anything I paid much attention to tbh. I wouldn't even know when you sent it without checking papers. You were a kingdom in range, why would I accept a random CF being sent to me? Because I should know that not accepting random CFs without any reason, deals or even communication inbetween the parties attached to it - means my kingdom is open for two way conflicts?

At the end of this story idiocy, you can't get away from the fact that the only reason you waved us, was because you thought you'd get a free wave (you monarch admittedly said so). And the reason he thought so was because Unsullied promised him one. Thus you believed (despite claiming otherwise now) that our conflict with the (larger but...) inferior kingdom would result in war and that you could vulture freely.

The CF offer you sent us, and the gold you claim you've lost to us was a mere parenthesis when your monarch talked to me and tried to explain/fix the situation he'd put you in. He was very up front when telling me he wanted to vulture us. Because it was free. And that was the reason you doubled us, and nothing else.

Trying to make up excuses only serve to make you look worse than you already are. I don't mean to slander and gossip - and its been perfectly clear from the start that I don't want this attention for my kingdom, and I'm mad at likethesilver for starting this thread. Nor have I requested any help. This thread is a pure inconvenience to me. But when you try to justify these blatantly foul actions and make yourselves out to be anything but vulturous double hostilers - and in so doing trying to cast a shadow over my kingdom, I have no other choice than to present the actual facts in this conflict.

[SillyRabbit]

Actions speak louder than words. I expect nothing short of a win here Roughknecks - Give it to em

[idiocy]

I don't want to say too much, but I agree things should have been handled differently and I don't like this thread either. So no more drama until the war is over at the earliest. Realest should be happy.

edit: I for one like the Godly Show.

[Godly]

Tadpole, the problem is no one gives a **** about you.

My child's birth = royal birth
Your child's birth = trailer #3 in an Alabama trailer park

[DHaran]

Knock it off Godly.

[Tadpole]

And yes. That only clarified what I said earlier Idiocy. You offered 2 learn attacks compensation while you still thought we would war unsullied. You offered one free wave when you realized you won't get away with your vulturing. And I wanted 3 free waves (1 to make up for losses from your wave, 1 to accept a cf and 1 for your d*ck move of doubling us and costing us a war with unsullied). If neither terms would be acknowledged, I would pay you back in kind with hits into your conflicts.

As far as "threats of interference and bull****" goes. I've done no such thing here or elsewhere since war started. If people disrespect your conflict in the same manner you disrespected ours, I would understand them and wouldn't shed one tear about it. But no such request has or will be made on my part.

[Palem]

You'd have to get laid to have a child godly.

Boom. Roasted.

[Elit]

Don't know why Godly is so arrogant, but i don't like it.
My advice to ppl with problems is: solve them in irc don't use utopia forum.

[SweeTooth]

Don't know why Godly is so arrogant, but i don't like it.

Some people think too highly of themselves, it's a syndrome.

[Feint]

Can we have a summary? Who messed with who? Who gOT the button? Day number what for the war?

[idiocy]

** Kingdom news report **
For the time from March 1 of YR6 till May 5 of YR6 - 53 hours
[ http://home-world.org/utopia/formatter/ - Seraphim online formatter ]

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 98 (12,182 acres)
-- Traditional march: 85 (12,159 acres)
-- Conquest: 1 (23 acres)
-- Plunder: 4
-- Learn: 8
-- Uniques: 45
Total attacks suffered: 48 (6,753 acres)
-- Traditional march: 47 (6,753 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (2.1% failure)
-- Uniques: 28

** The kingdom of Elements **
Total land exchanged: +5,429 (98/48)
+1,072 Platinum (9 [3]/0)
+1,047 Crawling Undead (6 [3]/0)
+969 Iron (4 [3]/0)
+866 Sulfur (4 [3]/1)
+707 Oxygen (7 [2]/0)
+615 Xenon (6 [2]/0)
+541 Uranium (8 [3]/2)
+533 Zinc (8 [4]/1)
+525 Titanium (4 [1]/0)
+460 Technetium (7 [4]/0)
+441 Copper (7 [3]/0)
+327 An unknown province (3/0)
+275 Rhodium (5 [1]/1)
+217 Maganese (3 [2]/1)
+157 Gold (2 [2]/1)
+141 Thorium (1 [1]/0)
-14 Rutherfordium (2 [1]/1)
-152 Calcium (3 [3]/2)
-166 Nobelium (0/1)
-215 Carbon (0/1)
-487 Niobium (0/2)
-497 Nitrogen (0/2)
-509 Promethium (1 [1]/5)
-1,424 Hydrogen (8 [3]/27)

** The kingdom of Minions **
Total land exchanged: -2,402 (1/8)
-160 Kryator (1 [1]/1)
-225 Omega (0/1)
-316 LLL (0/1)
-327 OK Computer (0/1)
-337 Psycho (0/1)
-339 Im noob halfer (0/1)
-341 Ding Lay Low May (0/1)
-357 Roberto De Omakfein (0/1)

** The kingdom of Roughknecks **
Total land exchanged: -4,768 (40/83)
+396 hit the guy above me (2 [1]/0)
+247 Strapping Young Lad (2 [1]/0)
+238 PineappleCoconut (3 [1]/1)
+175 Pimpmatic Static (4 [1]/0)
+130 Vicinity of Obscenity (1 [1]/0)
+110 THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN (1 [1]/0)
+107 The Helm of Hador (1 [1]/0)
+17 Mini Pony (2 [1]/2)
-12 Roxy Will Float Your Boat (1 [1]/1)
-39 Private Parts (4 [1]/2)
-124 The Skull Cave (3 [2]/2)
-125 Tierra Del Fuego (2 [2]/5)
-376 Havoc (2 [1]/2)
-739 Zetsuei (4 [1]/11)
-1,417 A Hero of Forlorn Sojourns (3 [1]/8)
-1,601 Gainomax Recovery (1 [1]/19)
-1,755 When I Enter It Hurts You (4 [2]/30)

Summary of hostile + war with some hits into and out of hostile removed totalling -1500 acres for Elements

Dragons sent to Roughknecks
Emerald On April 21 of YR6

Dragons received by Roughknecks
Sapphire on April 21 of YR6

April 21 of YR6 - War declared by Roughknecks

Both kingdoms have slain their first dragons, and both kingdoms started their wave around the same time, with second round of hits incoming within the next couple of hours

[Feint]

Keep us posted. Who is element by the way? I only know Roughkneck. They are very rough and tough to war with...

[Feint]

And who is in the wrong?
So many pages of arguments.. Can someone summarize?

[SillyRabbit]

Neither kd is in the wrong. It sounds like Elements used some unsavory tactics against Roughknecks. Roughknecks gave Elements 3 options to choose from and Elements chose to war. Everything is fine and dandy.