Was AMA a good ally to Simians?

[munk]

Anri posted this: http://pastebin.com/pXLG4exK

Seems elit sold out Simians after he didn't deliver on his promise to Simians to wave SWEA?

Or what?

[American Badass]

<Mansoor> i dont respond to treats so well

[Anri]

Anri posted this: http://pastebin.com/pXLG4exK

Seems elit sold out Simians after he didn't deliver on his promise to Simians to wave SWEA?

Or what?

For this to be more accurate we need my logg with Elit also.
Where he went behind my back! Hold on i got parts of it on computer the rest is on phone but its sufficient enough to show how dip to win works by selling out his allies.

The fun part of this story is that AMA should have waved SWEA cause pewpew was sitting on 35-40% draft so it had been win win for AMA and Simians if he had not sold us out. Thus they had probably crowned. Selling allies out = BAD

[glee87]

<Mansoor> i dont respond to treats so well

once a muslim always a muslim ;)

[Lestat]

Difficult to train then.

[Anri]

[12:30:39] <Anri> they should get involved if it comes to a 3 vs 2 situation
[12:30:57] <Anri> btw we have 15k pool to make many 12k acre provs now
[12:31:14] <Anri> if we only get swea out of the way oow we can easy do it
[12:31:21] <Anri> we just need you to wave them
[12:31:29] <Anri> but i still think they will wave us at the same time
[12:31:41] <Anri> cant wait, need to hit them straight oow
[12:31:44] <Anri> within the minutes
[12:32:00] <Anri> if they put themselfs in a double situation its up to them
[12:32:02] <Elit> we have set wave
[12:32:07] <Elit> for moment they are oow
[12:32:12] <Elit> its march 9?
[12:32:12] <Anri> perfect
[12:32:16] <Anri> we will be in full fort stance
[12:32:20] <Anri> yes march 9th
[12:32:21] <Elit> so we will wave march 9
[12:32:44] <Elit> im not going to leave you alone andopen
[12:32:56] <Anri> if they still wave simians after you wave them there is really on themselfs for bad play to dodge
[12:33:41] <Anri> we insta declare them afterwards and beat them home for free waves
[12:33:46] <Anri> this time we will not do 50 learns
[12:33:58] <Anri> we farm them out for 40k acres before WD
[12:34:08] <Anri> we waited to declare last time til they got armies home
[12:34:23] <Anri> you end up getting high acres anyway
[12:34:31] <Anri> i just dont see them retal you
[12:34:40] <Anri> i really think they wave simians despite of you waving them
[12:34:43] <Anri> what u think?
[12:35:45] <Elit> if they wave you after our wave
[12:35:49] <Elit> you can declare
[12:35:58] <Elit> if you think you have chances
[12:36:18] <Anri> yes, we would farm them good with better timing
[12:36:19] <Elit> or you can hold till we wave them for second time
[12:36:27] <Anri> that works also
[12:36:27] <Elit> and declareafter they wave you again in fort
[12:36:37] <Elit> this way we will hur them more
[12:36:44] <Elit> and we will hit big provs more
[12:36:46] <Anri> yes and that way we would win for sure
[12:36:51] <Elit> yes
[12:37:06] <Anri> then we come out as winners to help vs strippers+pewpew
[12:37:12] <Anri> ama takes #1 we take #2
[12:37:16] <Anri> hold **** together
[12:37:48] <Anri> we started this group start of age and its important we keep it together no matter what
[12:37:59] <Elit> yes

Thats enough really, the rest was over phone since i was at work march 9th when Elit sold us out the first time.
We made the explore for a reason and we got farmed cause Elit had us thinking we would fight them after AMA had raped them.
Pewpew was all this time on 35-40% draft and never a threat to AMA.

Elit just sold us out, only thing i can think of is he wanted swea to grow more so he could farm them harder later.
But it all backfired for him.

He made the deal in Munks pastebin behind my back way before swea came OOW and meanwhile told me he wave them all the time.

Dont trust Elit in anything you do

[Mansoor]

These logs were for your eyes only Anri =(

[American Badass]

[10:44] <Elit> he treat me alot

[Anri]

These logs were for your eyes only Anri =(

The world needs to know what a douche Elit is and how he backstabs his allies.
Simians is not the only ones he played this age.

Thanks for the loggfile to confirm everything Mansoor. It means a lot.
You ran a tight game and strong dip and played Elit and many others.

So i dont see what you have to wry about. You did the correct thing for whats best for your KD.

This is about Elit...

[American Badass]

Elit gets nasty when I trash talk AMA in the forums:

Session Start: Thu Aug 15 15:06:01 2013
Session Ident: Elit
[15:06] Session Ident: Elit (UtoNet, AmericanBadass) (~Elit@uto-C0B53CFF.btc-net.bg)
[15:06] <Elit> hi
01[15:07] <AmericanBadass> hi
[15:07] <Elit> you are in simians concul
[15:07] <Elit> and you know we are ally
[15:07] <Elit> why you post shis ?
01[15:07] <AmericanBadass> I am but my oppinions are mine not theirs
01[15:07] <AmericanBadass> because I don't agree with some stuff taking place
[15:08] <Elit> its was 2 days ago wen simians askedm me for help and i send notice swea
[15:08] <Elit> its was simians when declare swea last moment and ****d us
[15:08] <Elit> but im not trash talk in forum for it
01[15:08] <AmericanBadass> We were not going to eat wave off them and then have you wave and take our acres
[15:09] <Elit> im not argue about it
[15:09] <Elit> im say im loyal ally to simians and dont trash talk them in forum
[15:09] <Elit> and im expect same from simians leaders
01[15:09] <AmericanBadass> I do not agree that you waved into a war
01[15:09] <AmericanBadass> I am on council and make no decisions. i just over hear what is going on
[15:09] <Elit> you can not agrre
[15:10] <Elit> still dont mean you can active trash post in forum
[15:10] <Elit> if you want to not hurt your kd relation in future with us
01[15:10] <AmericanBadass> I would say the same regardless of if it was Rage, Pew or even us
01[15:10] <AmericanBadass> I am leaving Simians eoa
[15:10] <Elit> i can understand if its core memmber
[15:10] <Elit> but not leader
[15:10] <Elit> good
01[15:10] <AmericanBadass> TBF I dont even have access to bot
01[15:11] <AmericanBadass> I am a core member
[15:11] <Elit> because its look really really bad how simians member talk for us when we helpedthem few times
01[15:11] <AmericanBadass> I have wanted to leave Simians all age but I dont kingdom hop so I agreed to stay here
[15:11] <Elit> having ally is all about trust and being loyal
01[15:11] <AmericanBadass> Thus means I do not always agree with what we do
[15:12] <Elit> and pew pew fuked it bad
01[15:12] <AmericanBadass> I do not see what pew did as being wrong. I see what you did as being wrong
[15:12] <Elit> because you dont know all
[15:12] <Elit> and i cant share it
[15:12] <Elit> but what did pew pew is sell his ally
01[15:12] <AmericanBadass> Just because you noticed them, does not mean they are yours. If they had yr 10 deal, it sucks for you they agreed and cancelled it earlier
[15:13] <Elit> itsnot suck
01[15:13] <AmericanBadass> This is what ABs does age in age out. Fight whom to vulture
[15:13] <Elit> they wont war if there is no notice
[15:13] <Elit> and pew pew told us to notice 4 15
01[15:13] <AmericanBadass> You are becoming the new ABs like it or not
[15:13] <Elit> pew pew contacted 4 15 and offered them war after it
01[15:13] <AmericanBadass> If this was ABs play you would be going mental
01[15:13] <AmericanBadass> I do not see how this is different
[15:13] <Elit> so they simple manipulated both kds
[15:13] <Elit> for get his araned war win
01[15:14] <AmericanBadass> This is what HoH constantly did to Rage / Havoc
01[15:14] <AmericanBadass> past few ages
[15:14] <Elit> if this was abs kd they wont run like it
[15:14] <Elit> and if they run i will wave them too
[15:14] <Elit> wave was correct move
[15:14] <Elit> they need to learn how game work
1[15:14] <AmericanBadass> No, if this was ABs and HoH stole the war like pew did, rage would still wave into war then the whole community would go mental
[15:14] <Elit> making same mistakes 2 times in raw
01[15:14] <AmericanBadass> If you waved them after war i wouldnt care
01[15:15] <AmericanBadass> I thought aabs was to stop powerplay
[15:15] <Elit> its wont be possoble
[15:15] <Elit> was aranged war
01[15:15] <AmericanBadass> but in my eyes it is exactly the same
[15:15] <Elit> stripers grow his cos
[15:15] <Elit> pew pew core
[15:15] <Elit> after it we cant down x2 30k cows
01[15:15] <AmericanBadass> You waved them as you knew no one can do anything about it... thats power playing
[15:15] <Elit> not going to let them chet me with fake war
[15:16] <Elit> very day kd wave other
[15:16] <Elit> and mot from time second cant do much
[15:16] <Elit> its why he is waved
01[15:16] <AmericanBadass> If you waved before they wared i would have said that was fair as well
01[15:16] <AmericanBadass> but you are punishing strippers more than pew pew to gain from it
[15:16] <Elit> ok
[15:16] <Elit> i told what i wanted
[15:17] <Elit> hope you wont keep all this trash talk in forum
[15:17] <Elit> because its look really bad from simians member
01[15:17] <AmericanBadass> My thoughts are my own. That is how I am. If i do not agree on something i speak out
01[15:17] <AmericanBadass> I speak out when Anri/calle wants to do something dirty as well. I want the game to be fair.
01[15:18] <AmericanBadass> As it stands ABs has been replaced by aabs which is worse atm
01[15:18] <AmericanBadass> You can not always warrant everything by comparing stuff to ABs that happened ages ago
01[15:18] <AmericanBadass> People hated ABs play so I don't see why you copy the bad play
01[15:19] <AmericanBadass> If it was farm war, the mods would delete them
1[15:20] <AmericanBadass> You can not also be mad pew got to farm them first, that is better diplo. If you had taken acres from their core they would not have run to pew but you got greedy and wanted the land before pew could take it all
[15:20] <Elit> im not coppy abs
[15:20] <Elit> what we did was full corect move
01[15:20] <AmericanBadass> They ran to pew as you gave them no choice
01[15:20] <AmericanBadass> You caused this farm out.
[15:20] <Elit> you cant **** play like it and expect war to save you
[15:20] <Elit> its wont
[15:20] <Elit> noting ilegal to notice them
[15:21] <Elit> its part from game
01[15:21] <AmericanBadass> No but right now you damaged your own reputaion and your kds for few acres
[15:21] <Elit> or next time i need to breack deal and hit?
[15:21] <Elit> for avoid them run
1[15:21] <AmericanBadass> No but kds dont like seeing others get waved into war when they previously moaned about being doubled before themselves
[15:21] <Elit> this dont make more sense
01[15:21] <AmericanBadass> Next age if ABs were to double you again you will receive no sympathy
[15:21] <Elit> its second time for them this age
[15:21] <Elit> and second time in war with pew pew
01[15:21] <AmericanBadass> No. You wait and farm them when they get OOW
[15:21] <Elit> its say enough
01[15:22] <AmericanBadass> if you did that, its fair
Session Close: Thu Aug 15 15:54:39 2013

[MrCurious]

I dont get the need to air your dirty laundry in public. Who would dare share anything with you, if this is what they get out of it?

[American Badass]

I dont get the need to air your dirty laundry in public. Who would dare share anything with you, if this is what they get out of it?

The Moral of this story :

Do not screw over friends.

[MrCurious]

You dont think you are over reacting just a smidge?

[Anri]

I dont get the need to air your dirty laundry in public. Who would dare share anything with you, if this is what they get out of it?

Its not our dirt. Its Elit and his dirt. If he dont sell friends and allies out this never been aired at all.

Why would we care about trashing Elit after all of this.

[Soul_Hunter]

It is interesting how people see only Elit "selling out" Simians, but they skip the moments :

- Mansoor said Simians are not to be trusted and that they plan to backstab us
- Even then Elit says he is against farm out and such bs.
- Elit ended first convo with the intent to talk to Anri and make it a fair situation for all
- By this time we were already threatened with GB by Pewpew and Strippers.
- Simians had Pewpew and BB as allies too

So in a situation when AMA was threatened by a possible gb by Pewpew, Strippers (and maybe Simians, according to Mansoor, which I highly doubt), we were supposed to wave SWEA and make it 3-4 on 1?

I personally didn't like the fact we let SWEA grow that much all age. They farmed oow, they ****ed up Simians and they farmed Pewpew at the end. In all three conflicts they farmed 200k acres. Which is total bs for me. I didn't like the fact we let Simians deal with them too. But I also don't like how Simians always went against our advices, how pewpew went behind our backs and especially how we are the focus of all trash talk, when none of the other kds is innocent.