If Pew/SWEA get banned...

[American Badass]

this now means hitting into wars is a valid and reasonable way to play the game? Think Bishop/Admin before you make this game who can hit others banks whilst they are in war.

Elit you are actually killing this game.

[fuzzy|]

this now means hitting into wars is a valid and reasonable way to play the game? Think Bishop/Admin before you make this game who can hit others banks whilst they are in war.

Elit you are actually killing this game.

did Strippers / PewPew retal AMA when AMA hit into their war earlier?

PewPew knew exactly what they were doing when arranging the war with SWEA - remove EoA cf, run to war with SWEA, farm out to SWEA so AMA would not crown, not retal any hits from SWEA while using war protection while hitting AMA OOW.

anything missed here?

but hey maybe Bishop and PewPew + SWEA can hold some talks so (a) Bishop gets a better understanding of whats going on and (b) PewPew + SWEA understand what they did wrong (and in the process let the utopia community as a whole know why both teams were put into VM so others no not to repeat it.

sometimes good comes from poop situations.

[Darkie89]

Blame it on the bureacracy and diplo stuff. Without it you wouldn't have this BS.

[Verminator]

Seems not, but others will find a way to argue with you. Though rationally, it's really hard to argue with the logical description of the situation.

Besides, they're just being put on ice, not banned. I imagine this is just the punishment for bending the rules, whereas deletion is the punishment for outright breaking.

[American Badass]

did Strippers / PewPew retal AMA when AMA hit into their war earlier?

PewPew knew exactly what they were doing when arranging the war with SWEA - remove EoA cf, run to war with SWEA, farm out to SWEA so AMA would not crown, not retal any hits from SWEA while using war protection while hitting AMA OOW.

anything missed here?

No. The age was young then and Pew was allies with AMA.

But banning people for retaling will now promote and allow kingdoms to farm those in war as if they retal they will get banned. This should have stood and been a lesson to AMA and future kingdoms... if you hit into war and get razed back, you **** your own age up.

[flutterby]

this now means hitting into wars is a valid and reasonable way to play the game? Think Bishop/Admin before you make this game who can hit others banks whilst they are in war.

Elit you are actually killing this game.

It was always valid and reasonable to hit in war for whatever reason. Like I've said many other times, just because one kingdom plays differently than you do, does not make their strategies and methods wrong. You do not have to agree with how they play, you do not have to like how they play but you have to admit as long as it is legal, they have the right to make that choice... The problem with this situation is SWEA and Pew Pew were hiding under a war tag while not warring, that my dear, is illegal and they deserve what they got.

[fuzzy|]

No. The age was young then and Pew was allies with AMA.

But banning people for retaling will now promote and allow kingdoms to farm those in war as if they retal they will get banned. This should have stood and been a lesson to AMA and future kingdoms... if you hit into war and get razed back, you **** your own age up.

i don't disagree with you entirely mate but why could PewPew not retal war AMA instead of running to a war with SWEA?

I can only assume here but I doubt it very much if PewPew and SWEA would of warred if PewPew wern't being waved by AMA - thats the difference. Its not like SWEA and PewPew would of warred this age!

[Ezzerland]

AB: Yes. Hitting into wars is valid. Fake warring is not. Punishing a kingdom for hitting into a war is up to the community. Abusing the war mechanic is up to the admin. Think about this.

[DM_Benjamin]

It cannot be proved that swea knew this would happen, speculation and innuendo seem to reign supreme these days. Punishing them is the wrong move. Innocent until proven guilty is a term not well known in utopia.

Think about that Rob

[Ezzerland]

SWEA knew that pew pew would farm out to them. That is not speculation.

[DM_Benjamin]

Until you prove it to me, it is only that.

[Soul_Hunter]

Cause you are admin?

[Ezzerland]

You are entitled to your opinion.

[filip]

without making any judgement of any specific kingdoms action.
whatever happened is not against any of the game rule, and this is very dangerous territory for the mods to intervene.

any judgement on any kingdoms actions should be dealt with in-game.
poor game management, and will most likely result in more players leaving this game.

[DM_Benjamin]

Nope, I am just an outsider looking in. It is shady at best, down right illegal at worst. Just saying I imagine proof will need to be provided to punish swea is all. But as you stated, I am no admin... Just a spectator