Age 58 Deal Break 7?

[Winslow]

Warning, I retired around age 42, so this might not be 100% accurate and people that played in that age are probably better fitted to give explanations, but here is what I remember:

The gangbang on dream in age 50 is because about half of their kingdom were leaders/members of Sonata, the kingdom that started the previous alliance wars. They decided to delete their provinces and quit the game instead of surrendering (they let down all their allies too), except their bank who did continue to ****play Absalom all age long. When they decided to come back under a new banner (Dream), Dream was informed that they could either kick those players out or face the punishment they deserved. If you don't surrender in a war, then it's still a war.

After that, I think a deal was made and absalom let Dream crown, even if they could have gangbanged them again, but did not.

Nailed it right on the head...i joined Sonata the last 3 days of that Alliance war....with the thought of playing there next age aswel....only knowing on the 3rd day that i was there to abandon my prov since most had deleted theirs...Since they saw it was a sinking ship and there allies where left in the cold.

They indeed never surrenderd...and i doubt ABS either cared if it was half of the old Sonata or 1/3 with different leaders....still it was a lame move by Sonata even Realest admitted somewhere in a other post awhile ago...and therefore the failed GB.

[Soul_Hunter]

As I expected. Certain people wrote tons of posts against us being dirty when we hit pewpew for possible gbed arranged against us, but when SWEA does the same it is alright for them :). It is just another proof that their posts are not result of moral and ethical reasoning but a hatred cause they lost to us.

[Korp]

As I expected. Certain people wrote tons of posts against us being dirty when we hit pewpew for possible gbed arranged against us, but when SWEA does the same it is alright for them :). It is just another proof that their posts are not result of moral and ethical reasoning but a hatred cause they lost to us.

But its like when Disturbed farmed out 70k~ acres to AMA it was perfectly fine but when Pewpew did farmout to SWEA it was suddenly AMAs acres that SWEA took... you can twist and bend pretty much anything

[Elit]

But its like when Disturbed farmed out 70k~ acres to AMA it was perfectly fine but when Pewpew did farmout to SWEA it was suddenly AMAs acres that SWEA took... you can twist and bend pretty much anything

Distrubed hostile/war was very real. They got mad for wave them and start ask other kds for GB us. You know how many ****s they talked about us in swea pub channel. After it they start raze us how promised to to. Problem is they dont know how game work and messed it and ended in war. During war they made attempt to PK 2 provincess.
Now compare it with Fake war with Pew Pew vs SWEA and you can understand why its not OK.

[xX NBK Xx]

Distrubed hostile/war was very real. They got mad for wave them and start ask other kds for GB us. You know how many ****s they talked about us in swea pub channel. After it they start raze us how promised to to. Problem is they dont know how game work and messed it and ended in war. During war they made attempt to PK 2 provincess.
Now compare it with Fake war with Pew Pew vs SWEA and you can understand why its not OK.

I don't think that's entirely correct.

[American Badass]

As I expected. Certain people wrote tons of posts against us being dirty when we hit pewpew for possible gbed arranged against us, but when SWEA does the same it is alright for them :). It is just another proof that their posts are not result of moral and ethical reasoning but a hatred cause they lost to us.

I would agree with you it was wrong for swea to deal break you if you admit it was wrong for you to deal break pew pew.

[Elit]

I would agree with you it was wrong for swea to deal break you if you admit it was wrong for you to deal break pew pew.

Game Date May 3 of YR12
Real Date Tue, 3 Sep at 20:26 GMT+00:00
Sender King King the Sorcerer of Goddag yxskaft (SWEA)
Recipient King Evil the Sorcerer of 11 Your army (AMA)
Subject Re:CF terms

I confirm > King Evil the Sorcerer of 11 Your army (7:17) said: > >
AMA (elit) and SWEA (mansoor) agree for EOA cf.

Confirm deal.
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Mansoor is basically full of BS all time and tell only pure lie.
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[23:15] <Elit> im ask for your view
[23:15] <Elit> if its bad or good
[23:16] <Elit> when you know pew pew plan to **** us
[23:16] <Elit> so if we do noting they will do something before age end
[23:16] <Mansoor> lol...if a kd treatens to farm out, treat to gb, treat to eoa raze...what you think simians did...look at simians...that is my view
[23:17] <Elit> :)
[23:17] <Elit> clear answer
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Session Start: Sat Sep 07 13:16:20 2013
[13:16] <Elit> hi
[13:17] <Mansoor> just wanted to let you know we migth take intel on you. i am really paranoid and everyone saying.elit will dealbreak
[13:17] <Mansoor> so dont freak out if you see us in your news
[13:17] <Mansoor> we wont dealbreak if you wont
[13:17] <Elit> think i made it clear
[13:17] <Elit> if you want to win this way you will win
[13:18] <Elit> but this will result hunt you next age till disband
[13:18] <Mansoor> i know but i am.still paranoid man...
[13:18] <Elit> better from take our intell talk your kd
[13:18] <Elit> and intra kd raze and stick to our deal
[13:18] <Elit> im not going to deal brek
[13:18] <Mansoor> we are discussing
[13:19] <Elit> but i will make sure your your ppl learn price for win next age
[13:19] <Elit> and ignore goodz
[13:19] <Mansoor> easy, we still havent decided
[13:19] <Elit> he is bad troll
[13:19] <Elit> there is zero chancess from us or bb hit swea
[13:19] <Mansoor> prov crown and nw crown we want
[13:19] <Elit> you can get both easy
[13:20] <Elit> im stick to our deal dont matter what rest say
[13:20] <Elit> we wont broke cf
[13:20] <Elit> and if you want to stick to our deal from before best way is intra kd raze so ppl can see it and you can get full credits
[13:20] <Mansoor> ok, we have big intra dispute so still discussing what to do
[13:20] <Elit> but we wont hit swea
[13:21] <Elit> take your time with dispute
[13:22] <Elit> think its clear for every one in your kd you wont be n1 if we didunt stay away from swea
[13:22] <Elit> and you dont really deserve to win, not this way
[13:22] <Elit> but if ppl choice to win they can win
[13:22] <Mansoor> i am in a **** position. if we dont landdrop i loose part of my kd. ig we do landdrop i loose part of my kd
[13:23] <Elit> :)
[13:23] <Elit> its your mistake for not let me hit pew pew when they suicide
[13:23] <Elit> its clear when you have n1 now ppl wont want to take if off
[13:23] <Elit> not all
[13:23] <Elit> so its very hard decision
[13:24] <Elit> but i will respect it dont matter what you choice
[13:24] <Elit> we have our fun with farm alliance :)
Session Close: Sat Sep 07 21:08:04 2013
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Session Start: Sun Sep 08 10:15:04 2013
Session Ident: Mansoor
[10:15] <Elit> hi
[10:24] <Mansoor> yo
[10:25] <Elit> how is going your discusion in kd
[10:25] <Elit> ppl asked me if we can win. and i told them its depend from swea :)
[10:25] <Mansoor> 50-50
[10:25] <Elit> well if you decide/when you decide you can tell me
[10:25] <Mansoor> well u are faining much now so who knows
[10:26] <Elit> its funny how simians/stripers deal broke us for drop us but its end farm them
[10:34] <Mansoor> hehe
[11:05] <Mansoor> gonna take some intel.on you as i have trust issues between us
[11:05] <Mansoor> just a heads up
[11:05] <Mansoor> i am gonna loose my kd.cause of this.you.know..so either way what i do i somehow loose
[11:06] <Mansoor> now a noob threatened to defect if we dont honor our deal =(
[11:06] <Mansoor> so either way i have to.kick him.next age
[11:06] <Mansoor> i should never have whored =(
[11:07] <Elit> go get sn for begin
[11:08] <Elit> you can see we are hit nonstop stripers and simians
[11:08] <Elit> and im sure all this put you in some trubles
[11:08] <Elit> and its because you show logs to anri and he post them pub
[11:08] <Mansoor> yeah, took it
[11:08] <Elit> so now ppl in kd know our deal too :P
[11:09] <Elit> but how i told you we will keep our CF and wont break it
[11:09] <Mansoor> yeah...
[11:09] <Elit> you can be sure
[11:09] <Elit> all about win or not let to swea decision
[11:09] <Mansoor> well everyone telling me you.wont
[11:10] <Elit> just if you landrop so we can win land chart you can be sure we wont go so heavy after swea
[11:10] <Elit> and if you decide to keep your n1 you will get it, but next ages you have enemy with us
[11:26] <Elit> i will take sn too
[11:27] <Mansoor> yeah we got all army home
[11:27] <Elit> lol so boring paper
[11:27] <Mansoor> we aint hitting incase you wave =p
[11:28] <Elit> ok
[11:28] <Elit> guess you will keep worry till eoa :P
[11:31] <Elit> This kingdom is currently at war with Strippers No War (Stripers)
[11:31] <Elit> lol
[11:31] <Elit> they will end more farmed
[11:31] <Elit> poor n00bs waved wrong kd for run from us
Session Close: Sun Sep 08 12:52:26 2013
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[00:50] <Elit> do you think now its sure you will win age?
[00:51] <Elit> if we send cf ?
[00:58] <Elit> do you want CF or retal war?
[01:23] <Elit> guess you fail sleep again :P
[01:23] <Elit> but we are going to GB you now 10 kds so sleep well ;)

[01:38] <Mansoor> lol why would you CF
[01:38] <Elit> because your wave change noting
[01:38] <Elit> i told you many times, if you want to win you can win
[01:39] <Elit> and im going to keep it
[01:39] <Elit> but if you think 70-80k land is not enough for secure n1 i cant help you :P
[01:40] <Mansoor> hey Elit, I wasn't even home today I come home and kd decided
[01:40] <Mansoor> I am not running the show today
[01:40] <Elit> no dont come with this excuse
[01:40] <Elit> its not kd
[01:41] <Elit> its you
[01:41] <Elit> and its dont matter for me
[01:41] <Elit> was simple stupid move
[01:41] <Elit> if you hit fort there is no way for loss n1
[01:41] <Elit> ever if we deal break
[01:41] <Mansoor> I can cf if you promise you won't target SWEA to much next age
[01:41] <Elit> so wave us was simple nonsesne mistake
[01:41] <Elit> i can promise to target swea every age
[01:42] <Elit> your cf or not cf us atm wont change it
[01:42] <Elit> there is 1 day left
[01:42] <Elit> we have noting to loss
[01:42] <Elit> you just deal broke us + hit in hostile
[01:42] <Mansoor> hostile?
[01:42] <Mansoor> what hostile?
[01:43] <Elit> with simians
[01:43] <Elit> meter is close to max
[01:43] <Mansoor> a kd less than 50% of your size? didn't you say that it is too small to be counted as hostile
[01:43] <Elit> we trade hits from 1 week
[01:43] <Elit> sure its hostile
[01:44] <Mansoor> it is not my rules
[01:44] <Mansoor> i was told it wasn't hostile when we were hostiling some ghetto which were hitting back
[01:44] <Mansoor> and these are the rules you and the gang sets i guess
[01:44] <Elit> ok so do you want cf and n1 or you prefer to risk
[01:46] <Mansoor> As I said I was away all day. Just need to wake up Martin
[01:46] <Elit> ok
[01:46] <Elit> wake him up
[01:46] <Mansoor> he doesn't have a damn phone....
[01:46] <Mansoor> I will see if he is ingame chat
[01:47] <Elit> im sure you can make decisions
[01:50] <Mansoor> i don't get it, first you say cf then GB?
[01:51] <Elit> lol
[01:51] <Elit> last time you told me: dont say hi say we will wave
[01:51] <Elit> so you can wake up
[01:51] <Elit> so i told gb for wake up you :P
[01:51] <Elit> its clear joke
[01:52] <Elit> i dont need you online for make GB right?
[01:52] <Elit> its only for cf
[01:53] <Mansoor> =p
[01:55] <Mansoor> ok he ain't up
[01:55] <Mansoor> i can accept cf
[01:55] <Mansoor> but we will monitor you
[01:55] <Mansoor> if you keep army home we know you will come for us man
[01:55] <Elit> im keep my army home last few days
[01:55] <Mansoor> i meant the kd
[01:55] <Elit> and if i want tot take you down i will start it now
[01:56] <Elit> not cf
[01:56] <Mansoor> true
[01:56] <Mansoor> Will you take SWEA 1vs1 next age or GB?
[01:56] <Elit> you still cant understand
[01:56] <Elit> when i toldyou im honest its mean im 100% honest with you
[01:56] <Elit> if you want to win YOU CAN WIN
[01:56] <Elit> this kind win dont have any value
[01:57] <Elit> why i need to deal break for stop you from it
[01:57] <Mansoor> Elit, I don't know you, after all **** and stuff i read on forums it is hard to trust you
[01:57] <Mansoor> and i got good source you were talking about hitting us
[01:58] <Mansoor> in your priv channel
[01:58] <Elit> its normal ppl in chann to talk about it
[01:58] <Mansoor> I can take the CF, and if SWEA wins, I will tell you my source
[01:58] <Elit> but get your sorced to give you logs with me
[01:58] <Elit> where i tell kd clear : we wont deal break
[01:59] <Mansoor> I have no such logs
[02:01] <Elit> ok so you will keep CF this time or going to deal break us again?
[02:01] <Mansoor> why would I dealbreak now? I doubt you can take 70k acres in 1? days
[02:01] <Elit> yes
[02:01] <Elit> its why you wont :P
[02:02] <Elit> ok offer cf and send me ingame msg you will keep this time CF eoa :P
[02:02] <Elit> and i will confirm same
[02:02] <Mansoor> Does it matter ingame messages?
[02:03] <Mansoor> Send me CF, you might hit back 2-3 times and accept cf
[02:03] <Mansoor> so we wont get any ops
[02:03] <Mansoor> you got a super kd with super activity
[02:03] <Mansoor> you can do a full wave and BAM
[02:03] <Elit> im not going to ninje hit before cf
[02:03] <Elit> lol
[02:03] <Mansoor> 5 seconds 20 hits
[02:04] <Elit> offer cf and post there for 6 sec i will accept :P
[02:04] <Elit> or 7 if uto is slow
[02:04] <Mansoor> I am paranoid elit. Send me cf and I won't break it if you won't. End of age i will get all my guys online and if i see you in news I am not waiting to hit.
[02:04] <Mansoor> why can't you offer? what games are you playing?
[02:04] <Elit> ok im send cf
[02:05] <Elit> You have made a non-aggression pact proposal to King King the Sorcerer of Jordgubbe (SWEA).
[02:06] <Elit> accept
[02:06] <Mansoor> accepted it
[02:06] <Elit> congrats for win
[02:06] <Mansoor> no
[02:06] <Elit> you put really much for it :)
[02:07] <Mansoor> not done yet
[02:07] <Elit> if you dont keep your promises and deals im not same
[02:07] <Elit> im keep them
[02:07] <Elit> told you: IF YOU WANT TO WIN YOU CAN WIN
[02:08] <Elit> im not going to deal breok or ask other kds to to it
[02:08] <Elit> and dont talk again ****s for me in forum
[02:08] <Elit> im never break deals
[02:08] <Mansoor> but you have this age...
[02:08] <Mansoor> with pewpew
[02:09] <Mansoor> and again
[02:09] <Elit> you told me to wave pew pew
[02:09] <Mansoor> will you be 1vs1 against swea next age or GB? i need to know if i should get backup
[02:09] <Elit> why i need to gb swea?
[02:09] <Mansoor> to beat us
[02:09] <Mansoor> =D
[02:09] <Elit> i dont need GB for it
[02:10] <Elit> :P
[02:10] <Mansoor> when you say disband...what do you mean
[02:10] <Mansoor> like we war and if you win..that is enough right?
[02:12] <Elit> i mean i will hunt you and your kd wont enjoy it
[02:12] <Elit> so ppl will loss interest to play
[02:12] <Elit> i dont think you are strong leader like Anri to keep kd together :P
[02:13] <Mansoor> that is hurtful
[02:13] <Elit> yes was good one :)
[02:17] <Mansoor> well, I will do my best to make AMA disband.
[02:17] <Mansoor> I think your top tier players will leave the ship before mine
[02:18] <Elit> 1vs1
[02:18] <Mansoor> 1vs1
[02:18] <Mansoor> my 25 faeries
[02:18] <Mansoor> good luck =)
[02:18] <Elit> lol
[02:18] <Elit> alredy raped 25 FA kd
[02:18] <Mansoor> well now they got 4 gens
[02:19] <Mansoor> either that or 25 avian clerics
[02:19] <Mansoor> BAM
[02:20] <Elit> if you expect now to discuss changes for next age you sure overrate me :P
[02:22] <Mansoor> SWEA - SWEDEN WILL ELIMINATE AMA
[02:23] <Elit> are you sure calle cant find your home adress?:P
[02:24] <Mansoor> he can if he want to
[02:24] <Elit> its bad
[02:24] <Mansoor> vindictive wanted to murder me irl too =(
[02:24] <Elit> make sure he wont
[02:24] <Elit> i need you alive so can kill you in utopia ;)
[02:24] <Elit> im off now
[02:24] <Elit> later
[02:25] <Mansoor> later
Session Close: Mon Sep 09 10:46:58 2013
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Skiped lines about Mole player name for not put him in bad situation. Its clear another BS from Mansoor. If you look paper SWEA FA did hits too. they have planed and prepare for this deal break last 1 week.
So if you guys need to deal with Mansoor in future you know what to expect now.

[American Badass]

All I see in that post is :

[01:43] <Elit> with simians
[01:43] <Elit> meter is close to max
[01:43] <Mansoor> a kd less than 50% of your size? didn't you say that it is too small to be counted as hostile
[01:43] <Elit> we trade hits from 1 week
[01:43] <Elit> sure its hostile
[01:44] <Mansoor> it is not my rules
[01:44] <Mansoor> i was told it wasn't hostile when we were hostiling some ghetto which were hitting back
[01:44] <Mansoor> and these are the rules you and the gang sets i guess

Elit going back on his rules!

[Elit]

All I see in that post is :

[01:43] <Elit> with simians
[01:43] <Elit> meter is close to max
[01:43] <Mansoor> a kd less than 50% of your size? didn't you say that it is too small to be counted as hostile
[01:43] <Elit> we trade hits from 1 week
[01:43] <Elit> sure its hostile
[01:44] <Mansoor> it is not my rules
[01:44] <Mansoor> i was told it wasn't hostile when we were hostiling some ghetto which were hitting back
[01:44] <Mansoor> and these are the rules you and the gang sets i guess

Elit going back on his rules!

Its was ABS rules for 50% size not my, and SWEA was in "hostile" with Simians over 10 days when both kds was far from declare range and Mansoor told us we cant hit or its double hostile :P

[Lestat]

Elit going back on his rules!

I must have misunderstood. Didn't Simians attack AMA? Wouldn't 3 50% sized KDs = 1.5?

[Soul_Hunter]

Disturbed didn't farm out 70, they were 99k acres at the beginning. Pewpew farmed 100k, so we are talking about completely different amounts. Also Disturbed didn't do it on purpose as far as I know, they were not top 3 kd, they didn't suicide banks, they did hit us in war, not you oow.

What about oow hitting? Our biggest sin? Or you deny you were the first kd to hit oow? We gained 15k, what about you? You gained about 30k from oow hits. Then you tell us we are going to be gbed and we make a deal with you, you end up farming simians (70k acres ?), then pewpew totally farms out to you, and the only reason you didn't gain 150k+ land is because mods stopped it. And now you deal break us despite the fact we left you (our mistake) be there where you are. If i were you i would just keep my mouth shut. Simple courtesy. I don't think there are still people that belief your bs about being all honest and "we did nothing wrong things just happened that way".

[Drug]

Korp, only difference Ama/Disturbed had real hostile and real war, while Swea/Pew was arranged fake war so Pew could intentionally farmout to u. And I believe we got like 60k acres with warwin bonus in like 6 days, while swea got 90k acres in one day totally for free.

Anyway good dealbreak, Korp ;)

[American Badass]

People now forgetting AMA deal broke pew? (even though pew only ever spoke of organising a gb)

[Elit]

People now forgetting AMA deal broke pew? (even though pew only ever spoke of organising a gb)

Do you forgot Simians and Stripers deal broke AMA and GBed us together with Pew Pew?

Stripers:
[20:56] <Cody> i can confirm the GB threat.. its bull****
[20:57] <Cody> im telling u that im not involved in that, he is not speaking on my behalf

[American Badass]

Do you forgot Simians and Stripers deal broke AMA and GBed us together with Pew Pew?

Stripers:
[20:56] <Cody> i can confirm the GB threat.. its bull****
[20:57] <Cody> im telling u that im not involved in that, he is not speaking on my behalf

Yes.

Do you know why? When you used the "pew left the alliance so it was ok to dealbreak" excuse, you paved the way for Simians to do the same as we left the alliance as well. As you said it was ok, to do so you shouldn't hold a grudge against Simians.