Swea vs Argo

[Elldallan]

That makes no sense, if war win on its own has no value and only acres/sci/position gain has, then SWEA is surely top notch kd as they demonstrated last age with their #1 nw/land finish. Fair enough, Simians beat them in that war(if resources are measurement of who won the war), but then you can't say that SWEA isn't good since they were best in that. If you value war win then SWEA beat Simians.

What mattered in this comparison was skill/performance in war, ww is not neccessary representative of that and neither is performance in nw/land. I'm not disputing that SWEA can't whore/****play and dealbreak on par/better than the rest of the topkd's(since thats pretty much what top nw/land was all about last age). What I'm trying to say is that SWEA performed in a very lackluster way with significantly less activity than you'd normally expect from a top kingdom and that their performance therefore is non-indicative of how any given competent war kingdom would do against a whore kingdom in an actual war.

[Jazen]

Elldallan you forgot to mention pewpew cheating... your slipping bro!

[mbab]

Sorry to disappoint some ppl but Argo is no top honor kd especially Fs or rusty, Its just Sanitarium

Hostile - 22hours

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 30 (2,937 acres)
-- Traditional march: 14 (2,342 acres)
-- Ambush: 7 (565 acres)
-- Conquest: 1 (30 acres)
-- Plunder: 7
-- Learn: 1
Total attacks suffered: 44 (5,793 acres)
-- Traditional march: 36 (5,602 acres)
-- Ambush: 2 (191 acres)
-- Massacre: 6 (9,496 population)


** The kingdom of X:X (sanitarium) **
Total land exchanged: -2,856 (30/44)
+568 257 (3/0)
+260 Scarbiria (5/2)
+170 Forever Blowing bubbles (3/1)
+142 Foscarini (1/1)
+58 Stakeland (4/3)
- Wonderland (1 /0)
- Stupid Ogre (1/0)
- Persib Bandung (1/0)
-126 One Man Wave (1/3)
-173 supersexy (0/2)
-190 I Wanted Slot 8 (0/1)
-202 goatlover (2/2)
-224 Hasta la vista (1/2)
-240 Greenland (0/2)
-261 GaNgStaH Style opaopa (0/1)
-266 Not a so cold theme (1/2)
-286 Leper Messiah (2/3)
-360 myosin II (3/5)
-368 Going Orc Halfer (1/4)
-398 Indianu Talpa Iute (0/4)
-464 A Fuzzy Squirrel (0/3)
-496 Challenger (0/3)


** The kingdom of them (swea) **
Total land exchanged: +2,856 (44/30)
+1,040 An unknown province (7/0)
+681 And said -Dude I am moving (4/0)
+576 with my auntie Elit to (4/1)
+473 And I would like (5/1)
+312 that were up to no good (2/1)
+297 outside of the school (4/1)
+290 We got in one little fight (5/4)
+219 we spend most of our days (2/0)
+155 In Sweden we are born n raised (4/3)
+149 became Lords of this place (2/0)
+38 Chilling n dealbreaking (1/1)
- to take a minute (1/1)
- When a couple of guys (1/0)
- all about how Utopia got (0/1)
- in our neighbourhood (0/1)
- flipped turned upside down (0/1)
-119 and Don Proteus got scared (1/1)
-142 I will tell you how a (0/2)
-211 Now this is the story (0/2)
-258 Started making trouble (1/5)
-264 A Crownless Advice (0/2)
-380 ghetto named SWEA (0/2)

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War: 94 hours

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 692 (49,051 acres)
-- Traditional march: 600 (47,122 acres)
-- Ambush: 15 (1,393 acres)
-- Conquest: 10 (536 acres)
-- Massacre: 4 (3,359 population)
-- Learn: 46
-- Failed: 17 (2.5% failure)
Total attacks suffered: 402 (36,742 acres)
-- Traditional march: 363 (34,832 acres)
-- Ambush: 25 (1,910 acres)
-- Learn: 4
-- Failed: 10 (2.5% failure)


** The kingdom of us (sanitarium) **
Total land exchanged: +12,309 (692/402)
+1,721 Hasta la vista (31/6)
+1,627 myosin II (29/3)
+1,572 Wonderland (35/5)
+1,390 Stupid Ogre (32/17)
+1,320 Persib Bandung (32/3)
+1,108 Stakeland (19/6)
+974 Foscarini (18/6)
+889 I Wanted Slot 8 (25/3)
+828 Not a so cold theme (29/4)
+821 supersexy (30/2)
+761 goatlover (31/17)
+602 Leper Messiah (38/24)
+584 Cute n Cuddly (31/13)
+567 GaNgStaH Style opaopa (20/0)
+337 Shakeology (11/0)
+275 Going Orc Halfer (35/27)
+173 One Man Wave (32/28)
+145 Greenland (33/34)
+91 Challenger (10/0)
+65 Indianu Talpa Iute (11/1)
-379 A Fuzzy Squirrel (40/41)
-446 Scarbiria (28/35)
-541 ThisIsMadness (37/42)
-971 Forever Blowing bubbles (27/48)
-1,204 257 (28/37)


** The kingdom of them (swea) **
Total land exchanged: -12,309 (402/692)
+582 An unknown province (7/0)
+433 When a couple of guys (24/29)
+241 While Palem is crying (12/11)
+234 we spend most of our days (23/26)
+102 became Lords of this place (27/30)
- On the battleground (18/23)
-80 We got in one little fight (21/31)
-98 Now this is the story (12/13)
-221 that were up to no good (25/31)
-276 crowning all cool (15/13)
-294 A Crownless Advice (5/7)
-314 all about how Utopia got (2/7)
-321 flipped turned upside down (6/5)
-343 just sit right there (0/5)
-389 Started making trouble (18/23)
-401 to take a minute (13/20)
-608 ghetto named SWEA (0/4)
-621 and Don Proteus got scared (16/17)
-658 in our neighbourhood (1/10)
-809 I will tell you how a (18/30)
-818 In Sweden we are born n raised (28/47)
-1,156 And said -Dude I am moving (17/35)
-1,327 with my auntie Elit to (34/85)
-1,538 outside of the school (30/90)
-1,603 Chilling n dealbreaking (9/20)
-2,026 And I would like (21/80)

[Elldallan]

Elldallan you forgot to mention pewpew cheating... you're slipping bro!

It's not relevant to this comparison/conversation so I left it out.
Lets try to not derail this thread.

[Duke_]

grats sanitarium

[mikemh]

...I am really unsure on how SWEA crowned last age lol..

[Lestat]

grats Sanitarium

[mjm334]

Sorry to disappoint some ppl but Argo is no top honor kd especially Fs or rusty, Its just Sanitarium

I don't know if thats fair, Sanitarium looks like it can win a war as convincingly as any top WW KD. Very impressive guys

[Sig]

...I am really unsure on how SWEA crowned last age lol..

hitting into other peoples on-going wars after they dodged the opportunity for a fair one/backstabbing/dodging/semanticiszmz/HALALALALALALALAL *boom*

[Depravity]

Congratulations, SWEA.

[JustinSane]

What mattered in this comparison was skill/performance in war, ww is not neccessary representative of that and neither is performance in nw/land. I'm not disputing that SWEA can't whore/****play and dealbreak on par/better than the rest of the topkd's(since thats pretty much what top nw/land was all about last age). What I'm trying to say is that SWEA performed in a very lackluster way with significantly less activity than you'd normally expect from a top kingdom and that their performance therefore is non-indicative of how any given competent war kingdom would do against a whore kingdom in an actual war.

People commonly and incorrectly compare performance in one age with performance in another, assuming linkages that are not there as the kingdom have changed both in terms of players and in terms of aspiration. Why, I will never understand.

...I am really unsure on how SWEA crowned last age lol..

See above.

hitting into other peoples on-going wars after they dodged the opportunity for a fair one/backstabbing/dodging/semanticiszmz/HALALALALALALALAL *boom*

Still crying, are we? Play better next time. <3

I say what i said last age. Our summary spoke the truth. We might have WD vs swea because they had 500 mill gc, bank advantages and overall 3-4 times our science.
Does not take away the fact that in 48h we took 25k acres, outhit them very badly and demolished thier core and WD 5k honor up as well and 20 mill science, lol. In every aspect Simians won that war but WD. On same size and being equal opponents SWEA would not stand a chance vs Simians any day of the week. But they can always pretend that they was a good KD. We still gave them the crown thou because backstabbing AMA deserved it even less.

In every aspect except the one that mattered: the simple fact that allowed us to farm you out completely that age. Being delusional rarely grants anyone real victories. You of all people should, if only through experience, have realized that by now.

[Sig]

Still crying, are we? Play better next time. <3

dodging and hitting into an active war is 'playing better' by your standards? I guess we can see why you nubs avoid wars at all costs now. Please, STAPH IT.

[Elldallan]

[QUOTE=JustinSane;15258773]People commonly and incorrectly compare performance in one age with performance in another, assuming linkages that are not there as the kingdom have changed both in terms of players and in terms of aspiration. Why, I will never understand.
Kingdoms doesn't tend to change all that much unless there's a change in leadership or a drastic change in players. PLus one would assume that since your aspirations were to crown you'd put on your best show. So it's pretty safe to assume that you havn't become significantly better compared to last age, hence you would still be a bad metric for topkd warring skill.

[cRs]

SWEA cant and wont be top kd annymore, not with current identity/leadership/members... they played theyr cards right last age and won it. I dont think there is someone else out there that would make a pact with them.. or if they do they will allways be prepared for that to be broken. They lied, brake pacts, hit into someone else wars.. basically broke all unwriten rulles of this game - and at the end they even recognized that with pride(?!). They also got help with abs breaking apart... they had all in theyr favor, but that happened once. The end.

Annyway this was a thread about theyr war with argo(sanitarium). Congratz mbab, congratz sanitarium for beating "all mighty mansour" :)) and gl in the future.

[Elit]

People commonly and incorrectly compare performance in one age with performance in another, assuming linkages that are not there as the kingdom have changed both in terms of players and in terms of aspiration. Why, I will never understand.

Main change is this age SWEA dont cheat and we see real skills and performance.