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Last edited by viNdict; 12-02-2014 at 09:54.
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My view without knowing what the CF are and notice durations:
1) If CR notices AMA legit and when they are meant too, I see no problems as it is AMA's fault for making 2 CF expire the same time. Therefore if AMA waves pyro and Havoc waves AMA, AMA has created its own 2v1. If CR cancels and does not abide to original terms then that is a problem.
2) If AMA was smart enough to make a deal that expires with Pyro before Havoc's notice ends and they are in a legit hostile and CR hits into that, that is a problem. If however CR allows AMA to war Pyro/get their hostilities out of the way before they hit and hits them straight when EOWCF drops, that is fair. I don't think it is fair if Havoc cf notice is say 96 hours, pyro's is 48 hours so AMA/Pyro have been in a clear hostile for 2 days etc and THEN Havoc hits.
3) If Pyro and AMA have the exact same CF as Havoc and AMA arranges to war a tick before to get into a hostile to dodge Havoc, I see Havoc as being in the right to double hostile them / hit into their war.
- If 1 was to take place I see no problems.
- If 2 was to happen but Havoc was to hit into a clear hostile/war then I'd like to think Alliance action with AMA/BBs help would be taken (I have no control over it) against Havoc as our alliance is meant to be in place for fair play in the top. This is what Drixx has always wanted and us joining forces with one of our main competitors for fair play would show our great stance upon this.
- If 3 was to happen I'd question our alliance position if we allowed it... and my own.
In conclusion:
Bad CF are the leader's faults and no one elses. As long as these are respected and events come about respecting them, I see no problems. If a kd is bending these CF to gain an advantage or hitting clearly into Hostile/Wars then actions need to be taken as it means the top has not progressed at all and learnt nothing over the last few ages.
I don't have any problems with either Havoc/AMA's style of play this age. Yes AMA has done really well in whoring by warring but like wise Havoc has done good to get where they are whoring by being boring. Both are legit ways to get where they are. At the end of the day... we all start at 400 acres :O
Last edited by American Badass; 12-02-2014 at 11:15.
The issue is simple:
There are three kingdoms (the top 3) who think they have a good shot at crowning, and they all want to crown. For two of them (AMA/pyro), their best chance to crown is to war eachother. For the third, it's to prevent that war from happening (by warring one themselves).
The issue that CR has with what AMA offered is that it would prevent CR from vulturing them (additional time, additional notice), while allowing them to vulture CR if they decided to fight anyone else, so it essentially lets them fight pyro for free while freezing CR from engaging anyone. They say that's CR's fault for making bad deals, but that denies that it was a bad decision for them to have pyro and CR end at the same time.
That said, it is not CR's (and nor should it be anyone else's) right to tell someone else who they are allowed to war. This is the fundamental issue in the top right now, people 'dibs' eachother and feel entitled to fights or wars because they noticed another kingdom, or started a forum thread, regardless of whether that kingdom is ultimately in war, or fighting someone else when they engage or not. When mansoor first did that a few ages ago, I went and talked to elit and flogger about it and what i got back was 'well, mansoor is crazy, we don't want to stop it', and it's been moving downhill since. So the precedent is there: if you notice someone and they don't make a deal, you get to wave them in their war. Mansoor did it to strippers. AMA did it to strippers, Fratzia did it to ED. There have never been consequences for doing it. That doesn't make it right.
I'm off to 'nam. You have abandoned your province. Now your people await the arrival of a new leader who can bring them to glory.
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Agree with Zauper on most but some of the precedents he stated. We didnt whore when Mansoor vs strippers or AMA vs strippers happened, so we didnt care and didn't know what happened there. But using Fratzia vs ED as an example was not the most accurate one to do so with because ED "dodged" by entering war earlier than notice expiry with Fratzia, but did not let Fratzia know, hence they trained up and spent ****loads unnecessarily.
This is slightly different.
But yes, we did have all this stupid forum drama regarding Fratzia hitting into ED war. Does notice = auto claim to hostile/war, or does notice means, we're no longer CF'ed, we can hit you anytime we wish, you gotta watch out for us catching you unguarded. My personal opinions lies with the latter. And that being the latter, it still doesnt make it right to double hostile anyone even if you aren't CF'ed to each other.
Regardless, I hope we can resolve this peacefully.
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Last edited by 13nesta13; 12-02-2014 at 13:00.
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Is it official "we will double hostile u no matter what" thread by Havoc players?
Also, how is this literally any different at all than AMA noticing ED and ED going to war with PewPew and AMA responding by waving into war?
AMA has absolutely zero ground to stand on here, because they literally did this EXACT SAME THING last age.
Last age AMA had no notice with ED, which allowed them to vulture us after our 9 days war with PewPew.Originally Posted by Meep
After AMA won ED, they started to run from us while warring PewPew, we did not hit neither PewPew, nor ED into war at all.
I dunno who r u and where do u play, but u keep spreading complete lie abt AMA. At least tell community where do u play, so I will understand what's wrong with ya. Till then I will consider u r clueless random hater.
EXACT SAME THING last age? <=== Are you comparing when ED noticed AMA after war and tried to vulture <== apparently some say "vulturing" doesn't exist with today's EOWCF, then AMA beat them in war and then they ran from AMA who after EOWCF from round 2?Meep
Also, how is this literally any different at all than AMA noticing ED and ED going to war with PewPew and AMA responding by waving into war?
AMA has absolutely zero ground to stand on here, because they literally did this EXACT SAME THING last age.
Godly was preaching about fair play last few ages? How clean he would be if it were his decisions? Not sure who is in charge, and nothing dirty or unethical has been done in action yet but the seed has been planted for a double hostile obviously.Originally Posted by Drug View Post
Is it official "we will double hostile u no matter what" thread by Havoc players?
Then I read Godly saying about how AMA was trying to get advantages over Pyro to go into war with, which OBVIOUSLY Godly and CR NEVER do like farming Simians for 15k acres through a farming deal yet again dictating who wars on the server (if Simians wars Pyro they owed CR 15k acres or war) ....AND I hear they actually took closer to 20k acres from Simians, this portion I am not certain but I don't see why my source would lie.
Regardless, this is the second time that I know of this age of how CR dictates who wars who on the server which I have heard many Pew and CR/Havoc players/ and a few other haters complain about.
I just have one last question, by the sounds of it Zauper leaving and Godly loosing his high standard of morales :p ===> Is CR disbanding after age? This is what it looks like to me anyways, a last grab to do whatever they can to go out with a crown regardless if it's as tarnished as SWEA's.
so SaD
You're not hostile with anyone. You have no more chance of being hostile when your notice is up with CR than CR has to hostile you when their notice is up. You do have the chance to negotiate to extend your CF. Your post here is the real propaganda.Zauper leaving shows a respect to a code of Ethics many in this game don't grasp. CR is not wrong in this situation. That is not why Zauper left. It would appear to me that Zauper left because he believes in a standard that no one else in CR seems to agree with and definitely no one in AMA/BB agree with until it favors them, because they most certainly had no problem telling people who they can and cannot war, and when.
Godly has no standards as of ~4 ages ago. You're behind on times.
People keep talking about how Havoc isn't entitled to call dibs on AMA.
How is AMA entitled to decide they're going to ignore their expired CF, expect a free extension without giving anything, and war Pyro.
About the situation last age where Fratzia hit into our war vs pyro:
[18:06] <Elit> i think you realy deserve this hits, and im happy other kd made it
[18:06] <Elit> so you can learn from this
[18:06] <Elit> and this time ppl wont say im greedy for land
[18:07] <Elit> if you cant warthem offer free acres for CF
[18:07] <Elit> dont run in another war
So according to Elits own logic, CR can hit AMA into war and actually do them a favour - giving them a learning experience.
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So listen up homeboy, give this a thought
The next time someone's teaching why don't you get taught?
It's like that and that's the way it is.
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Their Attitude To Us Hostile (28 points) Our Attitude To Them Hostile (104 points)
Your post above is the real propaganda, Ezzerland.
Ah, but of course. Anyone can hit any small tiny ghetto and take it to hostile! Gee, why didn't anyone else ever think of that protecting them before?
To be fair, tiny ghetto ****ed ama pretty badly ;)
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