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    The world hated the US before we invaded Iraq.

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    Weirdly, I think the world has hated the US since around Pearl Harbour.

    Strange, because on sad, deluded arrogant pricks, you're no worse than most countries per capita.

    And it's not like you should have lost that little skirmish or the euro cup either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palem View Post
    The world hated the US before we invaded Iraq.
    It's not black or white. You don't get to reach a point where your actions don't matter anymore because 'everyone already hates us'.

    Making it worse is always a possibility. Mr. Snowden did a good job on it.

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    I didn't say people hating us made it ok.

    You said that people hated us because we invaded Iraq and that's not true. People already hated us.

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    Maybe one of us can get a TED TV gig and explain our Fair Play Alliance to solve world problems :-)

    I was planning to make an analogy of what others would do if we invaded Mexico, but then I watched a show about us stealing away a wrecked alien spacecraft across the border. It was History Channel so it must be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palem View Post
    You said that people hated us because we invaded Iraq and that's not true. People already hated us.
    If more people hate you now then before, then what I said is true for some of them.

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    Boo. Missed page 2 post became obsolete

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyB View Post
    Sorry, my post was even longer before I deleted some stuff so I forgot to mention the invasion of Iraq. Regardless of wether any law was breached or not (do not invade other countries unilaterally maybe?), it caused what was formally known as 'international alliance' to fall apart and set a bad example. Syria is a good example, no one invaded there. Not only because the Syrian military is considerably stronger than Saddam's but also because they knew it would give Russia another excuse to do the same.

    Well I guess not invading Syria wasn't enough to stop Putin, eh? It's not really about the U.S. alone. It's just that the illusion of an international alliance standing up for human rights has been shattered and now we face the consequences of that.
    As someone who served on the front line in Iraq, you Sir are an ignorant fool.
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    soooo on a related note. did anyone see the poll on cnn.com about who the top 5 countries are that could win WWIII? china was first. Usa 2nd. as an american that kind of scares me. i like watching porn. if china took over the world i would have to buy my midget porn off of the black market. also something about china going to war with japan over some oil rich islands. the USA has a treaty with japan where we would have to step in to help them and russia would step in to help china. then BOOM. everyone is screwed but mexico.(no one wants mexico).

    EDIT: also didnt we shot some missiles or something into syria to help out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin View Post
    As someone who served on the front line in Iraq, you Sir are an ignorant fool.
    Where in my post did I disrespect anyone serving in the army? I'm saying that the unilateral decision to invade, using made-up evidence of WMD, was a big political mistake. And I still don't see how killing the authority of organizations like UN wasn't a mistake in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPTK View Post
    I can't for the life of me figure out why the media insists on acting like Ukraine is an American problem.

    What basically happened is this:

    Ukraine has been, in some capacity or another, part of the Russian Empire for several hundred years. The Russian Empire (DBA The Soviet Union) fell apart in 1990. Recently a new Franco-German Empire (DBA The European Union) has emerged with the post-modern methodology of conquest by bureaucracy.

    Now this new Franco-German Empire attempted to incorporate Ukraine in its usual way. However, Russia is still playing by the old rules where things like tanks and planes matter. They want their old Empire back, and at any rate they sure as hell aren't going to let the Franco-Germans have it. The Franco-Germans are now absolutely shocked and appalled that another power will defend its interests with military power.

    But how is this the US's problem? If the Franco-German Empire wants Ukraine, they can go in there and fight for it. I don't think it makes any difference to the US whether the Franco-German Empire or the Russians control Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPTK View Post
    But Democracy is not an issue in this situation.

    No one is doing anything vis-a-vis Ukraine because of Democracy. This is purely a geopolitical game.
    It is geopolitics, but again it is also Democracy versus a Totalitarian regime. I bet you are one of those guys that thinks that the conlict in the East China Sea is about oil, when in fact at best it is only a tertiary objective for the Chinese.
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    I think there is some fear that you ignore military conquest of one area and they then do the same thing to another area.
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    *yawn*

    Crimea will at best end up an autonomous region in the Ukraine with a clear path way to succeed and join the Russian federation.Which if proportional democracy is introduced, can be avoided.
    Edit: The succession can be. ;)

    All other solutions have no pathway in international law/politics.

    At worst, it just succeeds unilaterally to the Russian federation based on a slight majority and people can lever it a bit.
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    Ukraine is a poor country but it is resource rich. Hence the mega corporations want to exploit its resource. It has some of the richest soil in the world and europe, a special type of rich black soil that only occurs in 2-3 places in the whole world and this is the only easily accessible one that isn't water logged in the tropics.

    Frankly I don't feel it is our fight. I am not even sure why the USSR dissolved. I understood it collapsed but the public details do not add up to me.

    IMO, Russia hass the right to take all of Ukraine right now, the president, democratically elected by the people, went to Russia if he wants Russia army to invade and reinstall him as the leader, he has the right to do so. If the president of mexico was overthrown in a popular uprising and begged the usa to reinstall him, I'd have no issue sending in us troops to do the job. To protect democracy.

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