Hey Guys just something some was talking about.....

[DarkenedDragon]

Humans have 6/4 elites, the best and most expensive in the game.
right Human, Orcs and Undead (all strong attackers) Humans have higher def.

If I run 20% homes 7% farms 20% banks, 10% arms 10% guilds 10% towers and 10 % libraries, that leaves me with forts barracks, stables and dungeons to work in.
This leaves me with 27 * .95 * 1.1 = 28.2 in pop.
I will have 13.4 peons 1.5 thieves/mages 13.3 military. I can easily pay for 2+ elites per acre per day, which should easily cover 10% growth every day.
Assuming 1.2 military offense (what I was running in my second day as a halfer) I can generate 60+ opa at full offense sent, with 40+ dpa and huge income and science income.
I should be able to keep 15+ points per acre in income and population sciences, while keeping decent numbers in other categories.
I am guessing 7+ elites per acres at that huge growth vector, along with 6+ def specs, which you only need because you get them free.
Then you add in ToG which gives me and everbody else free gold, FOR THE WHOLE DAMN KINGDOM!
The key is science and income to make lots of the really valuable Human Elites.
At 6/4 the Knight is the best in the game, giving a sick offense and also maintaining strong defense. It is the only race you can do the mythical all elite, both in terms of efficiency and expense.
Humans only got better this age, and they were awesome last age!
Think about that for a moment and then change from AVIAN to HUMAN, no matter what your personality.


Not my idea just seeing how the rest of you guys think about it, I know more of you crunch numbers then I do. But thanks for your input.

[Bukharistan]

Do you want to grow or to war?

For warring purposes you'd need at least 18-19 elites/acre to be viable. 60 opa and 40 dpa is simply way too low. Also, early age you won't have 10% extra pop.

[lusitano]

Libraries arent even worth running untill mid-late age. 20% Homes is too much coming OOP it would be better to run a bit less as you wont see the bonuses for a few days. I would recommend running at least 10% WT or your gonna get butt raped. There is no point in running all elites because you are never gonna send all of them out and leave your province defenceless. maybe 20-30 DPA in d specs and the rest elites but you should always leave a minimum of 40 DPA at home. Save your spec credits through wars and you can be a good drake slayer

[TommyB]

There is no point in running all elites because you are never gonna send all of them out and leave your province defenceless.

I can think of two reasons:

- You stockpile elites before war and train specs during war. You won't send them all out but you won't run out of elites as soon. A human with ToG can make enough money in EOWCF to rebuild a 100% elite army but during war the gold is more limited.

- Elites can now slay dragons and a human elite would do 50% more damage to the dragon compared to a specialist.

[lusitano]

Sure you can run all elites if you want to drive your networth way up and easily get bottom fed. Any good player should be able to rebuild his all elite army and d specs in EOWCF without using ToG... As for dragons.. I would rather stockpile my Spec Creds and be fed soldiers by my kingdom mates to build FREE Specs to slay the dragon leaving me the option to aid extra money out or donate gold to my dragon.

[shadoweminence]

Sure you can run all elites if you want to drive your networth way up and easily get bottom fed. Any good player should be able to rebuild his all elite army and d specs in EOWCF without using ToG... As for dragons.. I would rather stockpile my Spec Creds and be fed soldiers by my kingdom mates to build FREE Specs to slay the dragon leaving me the option to aid extra money out or donate gold to my dragon.

You can't train dspecs and stockpile spec creds at the same time.

[TommyB]

Ahem.. you said there are zero reason and I just gave you two. Of course you have to evaluate each for your own situation.

As for a human not using ToG during EOWCF, that is just madness.

Stocking credits is another good reason for training only elites. Thanks, I didn't think of that one. ;-)

[lusitano]

No I said any good player can build an all elite army in EOWCF without using ToG. So one of your reasons isnt even viable. Of course Human is going to ToG whenever they can..

I dont mean train 40 DPA or whatever you plan on running in pure specs. Train half your free spec creds and save the rest. Your T/M's should take down the majority of the dragon but if you have a human core and they all do this it will be much easier to take down dragons.

[TommyB]

So you would rather compromise your own good idea to save credits by now suddenly training 50% of them than to admit that you were wrong?

No good reason to continue talking then, is there?

[lusitano]

LOL Ok have fun getting bottom fed training all elites bud, especially later in the age when you have all your science :)

[TommyB]

Fear is never a good advisor. Your irrational behaviour is a good example.

Btw, I am not even playing human this age, I am simply analyzing the situation objectively and giving more insight than your standard phrases.

How to avoid getting bottom fed is another discussion, but a human with huge OPA in his SoT is *not* more likely to be fed on than a purely defensive province like a faery or some spec-only elves. Search old threads if you want to know more.

[Tovarishch]

Save your spec credits through wars and you can be a good drake slayer

You should be doing the exact opposite and using your credits during war to replace what ever losses you sustain from attacks/dragon.
TommyB is correct - if you go back in the forum you'll find that leets take pride of place over Ospecs. Simply put, if you have a majority of your army as specs, prepare to get your prov served to you.

[Bishop]

Humans should be all elite for war prep.

[ofgortens]

elites have built in protection from NM / NS over specs. Just another reason elites > specs. Will be hard for NM or NS chains running all elite.