View Poll Results: Should bounce add 1 point to meter?

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  • Bounce should have 0 troops killed altogether.

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    Thumbs up POLL: Should bounce add 1 point to meter?

    Another poll, fun for everyone! Yayyyyyy.

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    BTW, Bishop himself told me himself to make this poll! Everyone get in their opinions!
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    yes, but there is no poll.
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    Thumbs up

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    My classic black theme for Utopia - Updated 5/13/15

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    Unfortunately, no amount of razes will improve your war record
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    2 very simple solutions to bounce waves if the dev's desire is to remove the tactic:

    1) Make it so a raze attack sent on a province larger than you does not normalize the attack time

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    2) Increase losses incurred by the attacker on raze bounces only to 3-4x the normal

    If the goal is to limit the effectiveness, just change the formula. Currently it is a % chance based on off sent and defense encountered. Change it to minimum 1 point and apply the same % chance based on off sent and defense encountered to increase the hit to 2 meter points. Another option to limit effectiveness would be to just reduce current losses to a sliding scale with the max being 10-15% of a break,
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    Add thumbs up to what? The thread?

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    Agreed on the last point Tox. 1 point plus the % of of sent as chance to give 2 points instead.


    That has to be the minimum change. There isnt realistically another change that allows UB's in war tier to be bounced down that doesnt do the same for cows however. Unless you apply some increased kills for attacking but only outside of war.
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    Fake bounce or real bounce?
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    From a flavour/imagination perspective, you could invade someone's lands with an insufficient army, or attack a castle, whatever, and get repelled, but most likely you would still kill enemy troops.

    Bouncing killing zero troops is kind of counter-intuitive; if you failed your attack by a couple thousand points or whatever then "in theory" there would have been a hard fight with losses on both sides.

    Maybe offensive losses on a bounce should be higher? Maybe it should scale harder (more drastically less kills the farther you were away from breaking). I feel like there are ways to balance the mechanic without removing it entirely.

    Also, bouncing shouldn't be preferable to conquesting. I think you see bounce waves more often than CQ in top wars...


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    Currently poll is even! Wow this gon b interesting...
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    Yeah, I appreciate that difference neaderthal. I would love to have no points for the honest random bounce. I mean someons crewed up, its nothing that is being abused. Unfortunately because people abuse things, now things need to be changed drastically. Its really annoying.
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    bounce waves are good for certain cows are already OP

    why protect them more!?
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    14:08 <Hawk> bounce should add 10 points

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetley View Post
    Also, bouncing shouldn't be preferable to conquesting. I think you see bounce waves more often than CQ in top wars...
    Typically when you're bouncing something down the provinces doing the bouncing are sending <30% of defense (just based on normal cow -> core ratios), so conquests aren't a viable option.
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    I think nothing is wrong with bouncing hits. It is a viable strategy, and is a balanced mechanic. Conquest has its place, and so do bounce waves. If one KD abuses the bounce mechanism then why can't the other KD use the same tactic?

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    Where's the option to remove meter completely?
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