Age 62 preliminary changes comments

[Bishop]

Here are the preliminary changes for Age 62. Please let us know your opinions on these chnages in the thead here. There are some significant changes to races, economy costs and science in general in these changes so things may need tweaking from here. If you do choose to comment just remember that numbers can be tweaked, we are most interested in seeing opinions on concepts.

[tras19]

Undead cant train leets, only get leets from hitting?

interesting changes. i like the way the races are shifting this age except the ud might be weak with no leet training. why not just raise the cost of their leet?.

[Araqiel]

Changes seem nice, except. Avian. Again. Stop designing them around fast attack times, without giving them some sort of economy boost. The sabotage damage just doesn't cut it. The negative birth rate on them is just silly too. A good change would be to make their elites even cheaper (say 600) to give them a much larger eco advantage. At least we have potential for hybrid A/t A/m now with the +% effectiveness that comes with rogue and mystic.

[Bishop]

Undead cant train leets, only get leets from hitting?

interesting changes. i like the way the races are shifting this age except the ud might be weak with no leet training. why not just raise the cost of their leet?.

We like the convert/no train mecanic. The rest of the races had elite cost rises which brings undeads back into competitivness.

[MaximII]

Initial though: its insane that the Faery leet cost was almost doubled - without any boost to the leet itself. Same with halfers, except they got a point boost.

[tras19]

if anything maybe they wont be the most played race next age haha.

also i still think sage is weak without some book protection built in

[American Badass]

Great changes keep them.

They are the same for everyone so no-one *****!

[Bishop]

Initial though: its insane that the Faery leet cost was almost doubled - without any boost to the leet itself. Same with halfers, except they got a point boost.

Elite costs across the board rose sharply. Over the last few years training elites has become cheaper while econ bonuses (including base econ) has risen a lot. These changes aim to make elites more Elite.

[Bishop]

if anything maybe they wont be the most played race next age haha.

also i still think sage is weak without some book protection built in

Learn GBP was buffed as were schools, they also need less sci points for effective sci.

[METALLICA]

I like the changes a lot...but I do think that the -30% BR on Avian is a bit much. 15-20% would be more reasonable IMO.

But yeah, a lot was changed, balance appears better, and with the sci change, it seems like almost anything is viable as an attacker.

[Bishop]

Changes seem nice, except. Avian. Again. Stop designing them around fast attack times, without giving them some sort of economy boost. The sabotage damage just doesn't cut it. The negative birth rate on them is just silly too. A good change would be to make their elites even cheaper (say 600) to give them a much larger eco advantage. At least we have potential for hybrid A/t A/m now with the +% effectiveness that comes with rogue and mystic.

Avians will most likely always be designed around fast attack times. They now have the chapest elite in the game and can train them in half the time - this is an economy boost. BR is directly negated by an active sabotage damage boost

[MaximII]

Elite costs across the board rose sharply. Over the last few years training elites has become cheaper while econ bonuses (including base econ) has risen a lot. These changes aim to make elites more Elite.

As I agree with you, also notice that Faeries and halfers are the only ones who DOUBLED in price as where others mostly increased by 150 - 200. An avian going from 500 to 750 is one thing.. but a halfer going from 450 to 1000 is a whole 'nother ball game. Same with the faeries. 650 to 1150 is a huge jump comparatively to the other races.

[tras19]

Learn GBP was buffed as were schools, they also need less sci points for effective sci.

cool. good work on the changes im optimistic about them

[smercjd]

Wow, the changes are definitely more severe than I expected...ok...

Conceptually, I'm very happy with the changes - the aim at bringing hybrids into the picture as well as increasing the strengths of the personalities.

I've never viewed Avian to be an A/T race, nor have I viewed Dwarf as magical. However, I can definitely see either working.

I definitely think that there should be a bit of tweaking - but I'm very new at this game and can only guess. But at least with the personalities, some seem way stronger than others... Merchant seems particularly weak (besides ToG). Cleric also seems rather weak compared to the others.

I absolutely LOVE the part under "Features" with creating/sharing custom game themes. Great idea!

[Fiskinator]

Could we get some numbers on the new military effectiveness science?. Whats the bonus going to be at 100, 300 and 500 bpa?.