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    Bloody Mess VS Settlers

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    Well it has plenty of drama surrounding it considering the button pushed cause relations to reset. But it ended up going to war quickly after, which was nice.

    http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...9754-War-Snafu

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    I think both kingdoms handled the button situation well. I think settlers got a slight advantage from it as BM completely wasted a ruby a partially funded an emerald before realizing everything was screwed up. I think BM got an uf drag to settlers normal drag too. Settlers also never gave ops back, while BM did before giving button cause 1 way ops isn't fun.

    Fun war so far, both sides keep it up.

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    Settlers pushed the button shortly after receiving it. And if BM sat without ops for a few ticks it was a good way to pay them back for giving Settlers the same treatment ~48 hours before that. Also a small price to pay for not giving button previously even though BM was +1 province and a larger KD overall.

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    Pretty sure at beginning of hostilities, settlers had 500k more NW than BM.

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    Nah Settlers only had 320k more nw initially Stinga which is not much considering we have UDs and they have Human, and about button and everything that has happened afterwards I'll post a summary from our side (bloody mess) when I get home from work.
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    First of all, Bloody Mess is honoured to be able to fight a KD with Settlers warring prowess. They have shown tight waves and alot of activity. For us to even be able to hold own vs a KD like them is truly more then we could have hoped for at this point last age when we only have 5 players/provinces in the whole KD. While I've disagreed with sn0wballz in discussions, I respect him for being civil, level-headed and seemingly a good leader figure.

    I also feel fortunate to have won 5/5 wars so far and found so many new awesome friends when 15 of our members was complete strangers to me at the start of the age. Much love.

    Here's some background information of the events leading up to war from our point of view.

    It had been apparent for almost 2 weeks that us (Bloody Mess) and Settlers would end up warring eachother at some point, with both KDs being 5/5 with around 77-79k honor. About 1.5 week ago we both ended up adjusting our KD sizes to match eachother.

    At one point a Settlers leader (sn0wballz) contacted me and asked when we would be ready to fight. I told them we'd leave Fort within 24 hours. Apparently sn0wballz and mentioned in conversation that they would try to leave Fort at same time as us but I completely missed that fact. Because of that I had no idea when they would leave Fort so I never arranged a wave. This sparked some bad blood when they left Fort and Plundered 8M gold from 4 of our TMs to fund their 1st dragon and then demanded we give ops/button back right away.

    We had agreed to a no-PK term but never really discussed button or anything else.
    We objected to giving button on their terms because a 2% acre advantage wasn't more relevant then their 3% networth advantage. While it's true we had 1 more province, the combined offense on their attackers was 650k (15%) larger then ours, before their Humans +10% war bonus aswell as having the top 6/7 largest Networth and offense attackers. We chose not to give button out of spite and only became more adamant to stick to that when 1 of their other leaders trashtalked and insulted me/us. We've given button tons of times this age but felt no need to cater to Settlers every wish.

    This resulted in a 4 day long 14/14 point unfriendly. Their Human/sage Orc Warrior setup is very strong but meant to initiate with, not tank ops. We were effectively NS'ing their 1.5 TPA, 0% WTs Orcs and keeping MS up (before MVs) on their Humans with armies home. Our UDs was also NS'd but through 15% WTs, CS and easily being able to retrain offspecs we felt we could eventually force them wave us.

    That's when this happened:

    Quote Originally Posted by sn0wballz View Post
    Well it has plenty of drama surrounding it considering the button pushed cause relations to reset. But it ended up going to war quickly after, which was nice.

    http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...9754-War-Snafu
    With us having alot more problem to fund a 12M dragon vs their Human/Faery ToGers we felt forced to give button or quickly end up in a very disadvantageous position. 10 hours later we gave button with a max gain wave, 2.5-3 hours after that Settlers declared
    Last edited by Minty; 23-09-2014 at 17:17.

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    Both KDs had 50% dragons pointed each way after the controversity with our declare-bug happened. Settlers slayed ours in 1-2 ticks, while we slayed theirs in 8 ticks. Here's a summary of button wave+hostile after that

    ** Kingdom news report **
    For the time from July 1 of YR10 till July 13 of YR10 - 13 hours
    [ http://home-world.org/utopia/formatter/ - Seraphim online formatter ]

    ** Summary **
    Total attacks made: 20 (4,614 acres)
    -- Traditional march: 19 (4,480 acres)
    -- Ambush: 1 (134 acres)
    -- Uniques: 14
    Total attacks suffered: 4 (785 acres)
    -- Traditional march: 2 (528 acres)
    -- Ambush: 2 (257 acres)
    -- Uniques: 2

    ** The kingdom of x:x **
    Total land exchanged: +3,829 (20/4)
    +490 JetLikesBannanas (2/0)
    +437 GreedyGrechin (2/0)
    +421 TwoPump (2/0)
    +413 Citadel of Adun (1/0)
    +400 skieland (1/0)
    +306 Sacred Burial Grounds (2/0)
    +290 Greenhelm (1/0)
    +268 Turbo (1/0)
    +231 Plain Woody (1/0)
    +217 blah blah blah (2/0)
    +166 Fall Of Avalon (1/0)
    +160 kinrah (1/0)
    +21 MedicoRealism (1/1)
    +9 Mordekai (2/3)


    ** The kingdom of x:x **
    Total land exchanged: -3,829 (4/20)
    +278 much schools (1/0)
    +257 An unknown province (2/0)
    +250 Yet Another Subtle Seduction (1/0)
    -160 lIIusion (0/1)
    -231 She Came Out in Chunks (0/1)
    -257 Handle with Care (0/1)
    -268 A Toilet With Something In It (0/1)
    -290 Half-Priced Food Lovers Club (0/1)
    -400 Hit Me Baby One More Time (0/1)
    -413 Matavera (0/1)
    -421 Carbonized Cadaver (0/2)
    -437 Lets Try This Again (0/2)
    -450 death by dentist (0/3)
    -465 Uncreative With Names (0/2)
    -822 Chainsaw Abortion (0/4)

    Last edited by Palem; 23-09-2014 at 17:24.

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    Here's a War-only summary of the war so far. Waves are starting merge together and attacks spread so there's not any specific wave coming up. A majority of their chained players have their attacks coming in any hour now though I think.

    ** Kingdom news report **
    For the time from July 13 of YR10 till February 23 of YR11 - 59 hours
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    ** Summary **
    Total attacks made: 260 (25,014 acres)
    -- Traditional march: 225 (22,668 acres)
    -- Ambush: 9 (1,010 acres)
    -- Conquest: 24 (1,336 acres)
    -- Failed: 2 (0.8% failure)
    -- Uniques: 91
    Total attacks suffered: 233 (22,630 acres)
    -- Traditional march: 209 (22,087 acres)
    -- Ambush: 5 (543 acres)
    -- Raze: 9 (0 acres)
    -- Learn: 3
    -- Failed: 7 (3% failure)
    -- Uniques: 81

    ** The kingdom of x:x **
    Total land exchanged: +2,384 (260/233)
    +1,661 GreedyGrechin (15/0)
    +1,550 BloodyCrazyDeusMess (16/0)
    +1,449 kinrah (15/0)
    +1,409 JetLikesBannanas (16/1)
    +1,401 blah blah blah (11/2)
    +1,209 Everyone Loves AL (18/0)
    +1,150 TwoPump (14/0)
    +1,102 Citadel of Adun (13/2)
    +1,045 Sacred Burial Grounds (9/0)
    +917 Turbo (10/0)
    +278 An unknown province (2/1)
    -79 Well that was fun (18/8)
    -1,142 Plain Woody (24/30)
    -1,218 Greenhelm (16/31)
    -1,853 MedicoRealism (15/36)
    -1,899 Mordekai (14/34)
    -2,134 Fall Of Avalon (16/31)
    -2,462 skieland (18/57)


    ** The kingdom of x:x **
    Total land exchanged: -2,384 (224/269)
    +1,493 Handle with Care (15/0)
    +1,071 Yet Another Subtle Seduction (6/1)
    +1,063 Chainsaw Abortion (6/1)
    +999 much schools (10/1)
    +671 An unknown province (6/0)
    +560 Broom goes the dynamite (4/2)
    +331 Uncreative With Names (8/5)
    +310 death by dentist (25/12)
    -119 Carbonized Cadaver (21/14)
    -370 Lets Try This Again (18/19)
    -391 A Toilet With Something In It (16/25)
    -824 Cashmere (12/26)
    -1,028 Solo Mid or Feed (12/26)
    -1,055 Half-Priced Food Lovers Club (13/31)
    -1,113 lIIusion (11/26)
    -1,177 GoatTerrorism (0/6)
    -1,390 Matavera (21/31)
    -1,415 Hit Me Baby One More Time (20/43)


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    There has been alot of LL's done by chained players from both sides. So numbers doesn't tell the whole truth.

    Their initial 650k offense lead over our attackers as evened out so we have both roughly the same offense now that our UD's has had some time to get conversions.

    We sent them an Emerald at start of war and they have tanked it up until now. About 24 hours ago they sent us a Sapphire dragon which we waited about 9 hours for their wave to start slaying and only slayed first a couple of ticks ago.

    I'm not sure about how peasants looked pre-war but I think we had a 70k peasant lead after the extended unfriendly period. Based on my 4 hour old intel Settlers has 128,194 peasants now, while we have 241,069.

    Initial stats for Settlers:
    Networth 10,317,133gc
    Acres 52,990

    Initial stats for Bloody mess:
    Networth 9,994,779gc
    Acres 54,275

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    Stats before our button wave for Settlers:
    Networth 9,402,832gc
    Acres 52,046

    Stats before our button wave for Bloody mess:
    Networth 9,316,656gc
    Acres 53,681

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    I was gonna make a detailed post about our strategy and how both KD's dealt with things and then suddenly they withdrew. Much respect to Settlers! It has been an honor

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    Settlers are a pretty green kingdom. While I appreciate your words, we are definitely a work in progress looking to establish a very solid warring kingdom. Having to grow massively just to get this war hurt but ultimately I believe it came down to other things that caused us the loss. I'll discuss those things privately with my team, evaluate and move on.

    Bloody Mess did a good job. Glad we could cross paths now and I look forward to it happening again in the future.

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    If we cross paths in the future we'll talk terms properly and avoid unnecessary dispute ok? <3

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    Your tactic of running a longhostile to combat your less military was a smart move and we didnt see it comming one bit. GG wp, we played the war on your terms and theres no way to win a war when the human KD cant establish an Econ lead . Our activity was overall lower this war than most, wich is one of the prime reasons things didnt go as planned. But i can see how most of your wars must have been wars with long hostiles, you guys strike me as a KD that enjoys that.

    -Sen

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    It was the first time ever we've been in a long hostile. 3 of our wars has been us giving button on first wave, 2 has been us getting button and declaring within 10 hours. This long hostile thing was a new experiance for us too, and we only went for a long hostile after getting 8M of our dragon gold plundered and then having your people demanding button. It didn't sit well with us and we dragged it out of spite. The idea was that we could either force you to give button yourselves or slowly wear you down and then wave you because your Humans couldn't eat MS and your orcs and no tpa/WTs. No hard feels I hope though Sen!

    /Mordekai
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