Aranfein is cjs fanboy?
It's already confirmed with logs and admitted by others that the BB leader actively investigating and dealing with this situation *did* approve and advise Pyro to double hostile. Keep on trying to spin it like your leader approving and advising the double hostile is not really BB approving it since it wasn't you personally.
Your main claimed reason and focal point of your propaganda for deal breaking and gbing emeriti into war was that a non-leader in Emeriti advised Bour to raze if you after 3h refused to cf or were stalling. Dorje's actual advice was just to threaten to raze to secure his cf. Nice how when a bb leader advises to double hostile to help your ally then it doesn't count since it's not the "main leader" but when a non-leader in emeriti gives bad advice then it's time for you to deal break and gb into war even though Emeriti apologized and offered full reparations.
You then reward Pyro for their double hostile by helping them to keep all farmed acres and receive no punishments. Did they even apologize? At minimum they should forfeit the acres they gained or you are only encouraging them more.
#Rage
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***** Most number of Awar Crowns - 5 *****
So Prot please tell me your "Theory"? I've just told you how it was… It was proven in other thread a BB member at least knew about Pyro waving ED..
You got your theories and I'm sure they are plentiful and full of conspiracies, But i play for my kingdom and none else, i got no alliance unlike you and i got moderate friends who share knowledge with me, i got none running to me for help and i got none to run to for help, again unlike you.
Yes I'm sure we COULD have had 1.4billion but again you seem to forget thats in an ideal world where half my kd hasn't been sitting trained up fully for the last week thinking they are in war tier at the moment.. So cut your bull and stick to the facts.
Francis don't feel hurt i included you in ****play on ED because it was..Whether you want it or not you were part of it.
As for Diplomacy channel that was created to help negotiate FairPlay and mediate between war tiers (which also included CR ping to get enemy to press button), as none helps the small, we always said we would talk first before any action was taken and not a single time have we got together to talk or action ANYONE. (Which you know as you were part of it…Especially since you came to me to get diplomacy involved in FS vs ED)
its never worked and never was created proper apart from having the channel… So not sure why you bring that up seeing it was purely for FairPlay among war tiers..
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War is what happens when language fails.
Where are these logs? I haven't seen anything other than what Nesta showed me.
You're mentally retarded if you're still saying dorje didn't *tell* bourreau he should be razing. Trying to put the blame for the whole debacle on Cerb is funny lol.
Fwiw, I have yet to see jdorje apology for his actions. Or even you. You post an apology in the sense of "we are sorry BUT we also offered reparations" which isn't quite an apology. There's no "but" in an apology. Either you apology, or you don't. Emeriti has not since it keeps getting followed by a "but".
Why is it that we have to answer questions and then you keep asking the same questions a dozen times? Why bother answering?
1) Ask Flogger. I think he just wanted it to end and gave ED what ED wanted.
2) Why would we have to apology for something we didn't do? Lol. (still waiting for the logs which show a BB member advising Pyro to wave ED)
i know it well as i was part of it and thats exactly i bring that up.. ive contacted you multiple times & explained the situation and the best offer you made to me was going to war asap to minimize losses.. i dont really mind if the channel ever worked or not, but im quite sure we agreed to help each other out pre-age even if #diplomacy would work or not.. all you did about the situation was to advise me to take the road which the aggressor wanted to enforce - and exactly the thing you wanted to stop in our pre-age talks..
are you going to tell me now that you approve of the way cr acted last age, or ed acted this age? the rule of thumb of my diplomacy is making both the winner & the loser happy - you have personally seen it on many instances of me being involved, or mediating.. this cannot happen when one side asks for other side's destruction only, so i repeat my question - is it fair to make any ridicilous amounts of demands for a cf, and when does it become justified for the aggressor to be actioned?
I've yet to see proof (I asked for it days ago, and again today, I still haven't seen it)
And no, the theory is a theory that is one I find funny and I'm keeping it to myself. :p
Maybe one day the theory gets proven! If my theory is wrong, you'll just badmouth me for spreading propaganda!
It's not a conspiracy theory.
Errr, you're missing the point. /sigh. Just forget about it. If you don't get it now, you never will.
Will Palem participate?
I might. I was thinking about just taking the age off but this nightmare is turning into the utopian version of an episode of Jerry Springer.
Been too ill/semi active to reply to stuff over the last few days & thought it'd got to the point where it wasn't really worth it, but things keep rumbling on, so:
Chats there, people who want to draw their own conclusions can stop reading now and take the "unbiased" logs for what they are, for those who want some background info:
Key points:
- "UT" = BB council member on WA?
- "Francis asked for 1 wave". Think Zauper tried to find out about that and concluded that this was BS and there was never any request for 1 wave, so someone lying to justify x2 hostile on ED.
- "Parth got what he deserved <snip> long hostile without accepting any terms". See above point about no terms being offered, more lies to justify x2 hostile to Nesta.
- "I did research on that situation before I suggested anyone do anything". Clearly outlining they "suggested someone do something" after research (which seems to have been made up of incorrect info).
Nesta said he knew little of what happened between FS and ED last age, so was getting info in that chat & being pumped full of bull**** to justify Pyros actions.
How can you claim CR last age and ED this age were 'wrong' without recognizing that you yourself were wrong last age? For all the claims that we bullied kds, we never pushed a hostile as long as you did vs ED.
Beyond that, in most cases last age, we were open to CF. (i.e. we CF'ed mythos, we offered stoners a CF so we could move on, etc). On the other hand, you never conducted diplomacy with ED until you demanded 750 honor per day.
We may have been dicks to kds, but we never pushed kds outside of our NW range and kept bullying them -- we exclusively fought kds in-range, and we exclusively fought 1v1.
The same cannot be said for you last age or this. In my mind, those are much worse than pushing kds for more or refusing to give CF while they're still in range.
silverfox is this the hole log ?
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