mysterious case of the missing pyro

[Korp]

It takes...what...15 minutes to make a big post on the forum? Let's say he makes 3 per day (which he doesn't). That's 45 minutes per day on the forum.

You think you can spend 45 minutes a day running a successful top kingdom?

Oh, so the only way to play Utopia is running a sucessfull top kingdom? So I assume you dont play Utopia then. neither is majority of Utopia. In fact, what 1-2 people are only playing Utopia. I thought you got burned badly enough last time you tried with a lame retort but you come back for more. :(

Also, when this "Awar" bull**** was going he made 10+ posts per day for several days.

[Palem]

Well, if he creates some ghetto province just to dick around, that kingdom is automatically doing to be a part of "Absalom", so given the choice between that and running a top kingdom that's actually capable of defending itself against kingdoms like feyr play, then yea it's either run a top kingdom or not play.

Also, of those 10+ posts a day, maybe 2-3 were long. The rest were the type that take a minute or less to type up. Still not anywhere near the kind of time it takes to run a kingdom.

[Korp]

Well, if he creates some ghetto province just to dick around, that kingdom is automatically doing to be a part of "Absalom", so given the choice between that and running a top kingdom that's actually capable of defending itself against kingdoms like feyr play, then yea it's either run a top kingdom or not play.

Also, of those 10+ posts a day, maybe 2-3 were long. The rest were the type that take a minute or less to type up. Still not anywhere near the kind of time it takes to run a kingdom.

You know, you dont have to lead to play in a good kd, I didnt realize this was such a strange concept for you. Either way, if he played in a ghetto just dicking around who would know it was ASF if he didnt say anything? Making your point rather moot.

IF you have take in factor that you have to be around to reply to those posts as well, its not like it was 8 posts after each other then gone. In fact, ASF hasnt lead any kd for along time as I understand it. Hence nubs like Proteus and Drixx getting spotlight.

[StratOcastle]

Activity rears it's ugly head in the top. It's too bad... everyone watching perfectly good provinces rot on the vine.

[TheRealKremlin]

If we wanted to talk real conspiracy, we could talk about how Crystal has more BB players than any others and hit down Emeriti cows before their upcoming fight with BB last age. Crystal states he went to Anri and BB for advice on the matter. He also said at the time in our diplo that he did the FSU and wouldn't give the acres back even though he personally was against it because his kingdom outvoted him on doing it.

Is it just a random coincidence that a kingdom with many ex-BB members did FSU on Emeriti by hitting down their cows shortly before their CF with BB was up? Does the FSu not working out as well as planned make it ok? Was it ok for Bour to hit BB this age to try and get a cf since he immediatley offered all land plus more back and in the end gave BB ~3x the land he took back? Hypocrisy anyone?

Let me blow your mind for a second ASF...

CP didn't want to hit Eme last age, he got outvoted :) He's just actually an awesome person and took all of the heat anyway. I know you are still really bitter about how things went down this age, but we really didn't have anything to do with it in spite of me being former BB as well as a few others (although I don't think anyone who knows me really associates me with BB, I have my own history if you ask around). It's also a completely apples and oranges comparison.

Some real talk about last age. We wanted to make some waves and we did. We screwed up the last part of it though. It wasn't really anyone's fault (we didn't think Eme would drop that much NW, should have known better) and it had nothing to do with where any of us were from. We had a few different options and honestly Eme wasn't even our first choice but it was just to juicy to pass up at the time. And yes we did give them the crown, not saying that they didn't earn it but the land they gained vs us is what put them over the edge. Of course they gained a lot more vs BB but it would have been a vastly different fight without that 27k acres from us.

[Chrystal Palace]

thanks kremlin.


anyway back on topic. Nesta's Nubs are trying to raze bounce me. not sure if they are dropping off fighting mens for me to use as well or what. instead of killing my defense i am growing it instead. we are waiting for them to declare so only a few of our provs are still razing. we decided to hold off so we could gain some kind of acres in war. they fools gold a little bit of their gc we took. other than that all is well in chrystal land.

[AMP]

Kremlin will always be Prismatic Warriors :)

[AquaSeaFoam]

Are you joking with us here? Me and Anri were ****ting our pants around the time because we got the news from YOUR kingdom that crystal had wanted a cf so he could go after us next etc.

Do that really sound like a guy who at the same time ask anri for advice? Either anri was doing some major cia-tactics on me or we were both paranoid about crystals kds.

I don't know what was said between Emeriti and you about it, I was just saying what Crystal stated in this thread. Are you saying he didn't?

No anri. None of that is the case. I went to you. I went to BB. I got into a situation last age I couldn't get myself out of. I asked for advice. We thought we could intra raze but we learned we couldn't do it. And they were waiting for us to release the last cow. We got away with it on the first two.

Its funny how you keep coming here posting day after day but claim you dont have time for Utopia. :)

Also, Bour said he didnt want to do it but was convinced by his former kd mates in Emeriti, the right thing wouldnt be razing at all. You act like its okey to collude with your former kingdom mates as long as you offer acres back.

My forum time today including this post was a total of about 20 minutes. Most days it's less. Leading a top kingdom and an alliance properly takes significantly more time than that.

Why are you claiming bour said stuff he never said? Bombdigie is not a good example on how to post. In fact, Bour said several times that the razes were his decision alone.

As for how I act, you seem to have got that all wrong too. I said from the start that Emeriti was wrong to have suggested to bour that he could threaten to raze (or actually raze) if BB wouldn't cf him. Believe what you want, but that's the first time anything like that had ever happened with Emeriti (it was also the first time Bour's kingdom had large provinces since Emeriti was formed.) There are lots of logs showing that Emeriti leadership was not happy that Bour's kingdom explored large since Emeriti was not looking for any collusion or assistance and simply didn't want Bour to farm out to their competition.

I just find it ironic that last age before Emeriti was set to fight BB, a FSU kingdom with a bunch of ex-BB members hit down Emeriti's cows and refused to give any land back. When this happens, Emeriti is accused of arranging farm wars even though they lost their cows and had only modest gains largely from the ww bonus.

This age an ex-emeriti member was trying to get a cf with BB and when he was unable to get their attention, he razed BB for well under 1/10th of the land Crystal initially hit Emeriti's cows for. When he razed, he offered all land back plus extra for a cf. In the end, he voluntarily gave ~3x the land back and agreed to BB set size caps. Emeriti also offered BB land from their own kingdom and adjusted cf terms to BB's liking to help ensure BB was in no way harmed just for advising bour to get a cf with threats/force if necessary. Emeriti gets deal broke and waved into war.

In addition, after all this is done, logs came out that BB advised Pyro to wave ED into their hostile with FS in addition to a bunch of other **** play by BB's alliance.

In short, I'm not saying Bour razing was fine or that Emeriti advising him to threaten to raze to get a cf was fine, but I am saying that BB are hypocrites and the real reason that BB wanted Emeriti gb'd is because Emeriti was #1 and owned BB in 1v1 wars each of the last two ages and Bb knew that it'd happen again this age unless they changed the rules like by deal breaking and waving into active war.

[TheRealKremlin]

Asf, I dont think you actually believe we coordinated anything with BB last age and youll notice we didn't participate in what happened this age.

This really has nothing to do with all of that BS.

[AquaSeaFoam]

You know, you dont have to lead to play in a good kd, I didnt realize this was such a strange concept for you. Either way, if he played in a ghetto just dicking around who would know it was ASF if he didnt say anything? Making your point rather moot.

IF you have take in factor that you have to be around to reply to those posts as well, its not like it was 8 posts after each other then gone. In fact, ASF hasnt lead any kd for along time as I understand it. Hence nubs like Proteus and Drixx getting spotlight.

Korp, I have played for many ages and I pretty much always help manage everything behind the scenes even if someone else is "in the spotlight". Ata also helped do a lot in Rage but was rarely in the spotlight. To be more correct, I really should have said I don't have the time to compete this age or next. Sorry I was unclear. Just FYI, Drixx took over Rage after I had completely retired and that's when he used the Rumors Bargains Lies (RBL) name.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Kremlin, Yeah, I am not trying to accuse you of anything and have no hard feelings towards you. I do think that simply being a "FSU kd" with ties to another top kingdom does affect things though. Apparently part of your founding agreement is to "never hit BB" while you will FSU other top kingdoms. I'm sure you can see how this might help BB and hurt BB's competition (if you don't mistakenly give away a bad button.)

My point is just that Bour's kd wasn't supposed to be a "FSU kd" and wasn't trying to "FSU BB." They just wanted to get a cf with BB by offering them a small amount of extra free land but felt they had to raze to get them to respond to their ingame CF requests. Bour wanted to cf everyone and compete for #1 prov.

[TheRealKremlin]

Thats true. Weve had an eoa with BB and i suppose that has a chance of indirectly helping them. But thats just the game. There are all sorts of deals that indirectly help kingdoms and Im sure Eme benefits from some of them too.

We are razing Pyro out atm, and they allied with BB this age :)

Granted. They do have a button atm, dont think they are quite up to Emes level from last round though. We haven't really FSUed this age also. Sorta building a real kingdom.

[Chrystal Palace]

Dude we have an agreement between ourselves to not hit CR/expendables too. Enough with your bull**** propaganda. We made this deal between ourselves as a kd because we respect protector and we respect zauper and company. We have 0 respect for emeriti. I have yet to see anyone in emeriti go out if their way to show me any sort of game mechanics or offer us any advice. I was once able to go to anyone in CR and ask any questions related to utopia and not made out to be an idiot. There was many times when I played in pewpew when I didn't understand something I would go to topsy or ibwould go to Benjamin and I would ask them. They took the time out of winning a crown to explain to me like men the reasons why we would do a certain thing and not do something else.

Just like BB to ervgotti and Kremlin. BB showed nothing but the utmost respect to them and to me. Never once did anyone in those kingdoms make me seem like an inferior human being.
When petrified came back and cleaned house the pew azns went to BB and to this day remain my friends.

When was the last time emeriti offered any help to any nub?
So like I said take your Absalom bull**** somewhere else. We stayed out of the emeriti razing this age even though we wanted to help BB. We are razing pyro a know ally of BB. When flogger came to us and asked us to help out specifically said we would not hit emeriti. Then the time came when I felt bad you guys were getting beat so bad I actually wanted to help emeriti out. But we stayed out of it. But whatever people will see conspiracy theories everywhere when they **** play all the time.

[Judge]

When was the last time emeriti offered any help to any nub?

Well you got a spot in CR cos I recommended you there! FACT! You came to me asking for a spot where I said I was ghettoing and got you a spot in CR!

[Chrystal Palace]

Well you got a spot in CR cos I recommended you there! FACT! You came to me asking for a spot where I said I was ghettoing and got you a spot in CR!

thats pure bull****. and no one from CR will back that up. spill your absalom lies elsewhere.the only reason i would have left pewpew is if i had a spot in CR. it was no secret that i wanted to play in CR. i also believe it was benjamin and my ex friend nick_mi that got me into CR and it was jwuzi and zauper that accepted me.