The rulles are only for the fools - pyro DB again-fair play

[flogger]

I seem to get alot of nefarious scheming done in the 30 minutes a week I play utopia ;p

[protector]

I see a lot of talk and hate, and im sure some of it is grounded and i dont blame WsK for being angry but let me clarify a few things.

Earlier age Flogger + BB threatened to PK fluffy for me posting on forum and noticing Panda+waving Pyro, bit of background to that.

We waved pyro as we had no cf deal and they were exploring past us during aggressive stance, yes awar had officially ended 8(9?) days earlier, 3 days after awar ended nesta came to me to ask for war, deal would be 1 week + 72hrs to prepare, i declined that offer as i had other plans which i told nesta, the kingdom i had in mind went hostile 4 days later (12hrs before we could officially notice them), and my kd had trained up, Pyro had gone from 69k to 81k while we were at 72k acres, so we waved them and yes me and nesta/pyro had been friendly previous ages but not to the extend of working together, i thought this wave was perfectly legit, but i dont blame pyro for being upset as i had previously turned their war offer down. (caught them on the bed so to speak), BB/Flogger and alliance wasnt happy with this, but Nesta and me agreed to a YR12+72hrs as we did not want to stack CFs (at this time we had none others).

Fast forward a bit

We noticed Panda 11hrs before they left EoWCF with Crazies, a deal which had been tried to be renegotiated, but cappo felt we had lied to get a CF during awar (which we hadnt but it was miscommunication, which is all cleared up with cappo). Flogger came and demanded i gave the 11hrs extra to Panda, i said i would give 4, in the end we dragged hostile both of us for 2 days so that was pointless anyway, WsK felt we had dodged them by picking to fight Panda who were more our size and a much better target for us at the time, WsK felt we had prearranged this with Panda which was not true, but WsK left alliance because of it. Flogger/BB threatened to PK/raze my KD for the notice on Panda despite noone from Panda complaining and i felt we had a nice war which we both enjoyed. At the start of this war is when WsK was renegotiated to YR12 too, i did that to leave me with options should we grow or get smaller, im sure people understand the reasoning behind this.

War with Panda ended and BB/Flogger wanted b2b with Panda or we needed to give 25k acres to Panda additionally to the war win bonus they got for EoACF from BB and Panda, I reluctantly agreed to 15k acres from the original 25k.

Now fast forward 4 days and Fluffy coming straight out of war with Panda(EoWCF) and noticing TBB, at this point TBB had grown a bit bigger then us in acres (TBB also part of BB alliance), Panda wanted 10k before war and 5k after but agreed to only take 4710, so we still owed 10290 to Panda, with Panda only taking the 4710 it left us equal with TBB in acres after exploring some pool, so we engaged them when 72hr notice ran out and hostile dragged a fair bit, we won the war in the hostile i felt, but they pressed button and war was on, we ended up winning but with me in hospital/intensive care, for most of the actual war.

I came home just as we left EoWCF with WsK and Pyro both noticing us, i agreed to war WsK and prepared for this, but Panda/alliance felt this would be a total farmout and therefore wanted their acres if we chose WsK leaving us unable to war either WsK or Pyro, Pyro offered WsK to take our spot which was declined, i renegotiated with Pyro, you can call it what you want, but from my point of view i was forced, by the acres Flogger/BB forced me to give to Panda, I dont blame Panda for wanting the acres or WsK for being pissed, WsK removed our top for Pyro, which cost us any possible chance we might have had, which fair enough from their point of view we probs deserved it.

Flogger pm'd me just yesterday when cRs posted logs:
Flogger: "you telling wsk u gonna get me next age makes me sad :("
Me: "I said i wont grow next age" (which Flogger had already stated he didnt want fluffy to do as we not material for growing in his/bb's eyes)
Me: spoke a bit about feeling like a pawn and said yes i was still angry...
Flogger: "I drink a lot, Just cause we yelled one day obv we didnt notice nor actually do anything vs Ya, So just strange to me to read those logs wsk leaked where ya were still mad at us"

I wont post the rest as it has little meaning to any of the things posted here, but yes i am still angry/mad, thats the story from my point of view.

Cheetzy asked me if we'd eoacf you if you gave them land. He mentioned 10-15k and I said I'd be fine with it. It was then arranged. I'm not sure were this forcing comes from. You can PM me the logs of this "forcing you" on IRC.

[citadela01]

Get well soon Angels

[Judge]

So, when Simians trippled noticed and got waved by 2 kds, it wasn't dealbreaking when Sanc and HoH both waved?
Nobody objected too hard about it - so i assume that if you accept notice from 2 kds and force both to train up, only to renegociate 1 cf to get insta war, the other kd will be inclined to hit into that conflict/war.
Sanctuary and HoH set the bar for incidents like this, last time. Just saying..

Get your facts straight!

When the CF was over, SANC was the first kd to start waving Simians.
Simians saw that they have no chance against them. ( Their bank DTED Simians bank all home )
SImians started to wave HOH while sanc's wave was going on.
Sanc completed their wave on Simians and then Simians completed their wave on HOH.
HOH Declared!

[StratOcastle]

To sum up, you listen to leadership until they're full of crap.
Oftentimes I see recruitment that asks you to do as ordered even if it doesn't make sense.
For me, it better make sense.

[Anri]

Get your facts straight!

When the CF was over, SANC was the first kd to start waving Simians.
Simians saw that they have no chance against them. ( Their bank DTED Simians bank all home )
SImians started to wave HOH while sanc's wave was going on.
Sanc completed their wave on Simians and then Simians completed their wave on HOH.
HOH Declared!

What a bunch of BS. Sanc gave Simians two hits then halted hits for almost 1h, they started hits again AFTER Simians had waved HoH and gave them button. So only upon Simians sending out they used the rest of their armies on us. It was called dibs, the famous dibs, Jdorje dibsed us by two attacks and also having sent the first dragon, we tried to claim hostile to HoH since we actually gave a button compared to the 4p Sanc gave us and entirely stopped attacks. I am not going to dispute this cause we played martyrs vs 3 absalom KDs that we really had no chance against unless HoH the weaker target would underperform greatly, we had won over them before and felt it was the only option trying to have all train up and get war vs HoH. It backfired ofc, we had no chance to begin with. We gave up after Sanc finished wave on us and spited them instead. I do however think Sanc should have manned up and claimed us with UF and hostile. This way i am more then sure we had declared them army out cause this was the only weak spot they had. Not entirely sure what age 54 got to do with this. If anything it set bad standards for the future and i regret that. I dont know why this is mentioned here at all. I dont see the point of talking about something that happen 11 ages ago and having no real relevance. I also dont see the point of twisting the real events that happen. It was badly played overall by us but also by them. At best very childish.

[Aranfein]

Prot i got logs showing 25k as asking price for avoiding BB pk'ing us, i told Cheetzy no and he went back to discuss with yourselves and came back day after with 15k or B2B.

Flogger you been bullying me all age, you wanted me to shut up on forum or you would pk, i got the logs. I felt forced to war pyro as otherwise Panda would take the acres you forced me to give them in which case i couldn't have warred either.

You also threatened to pk fluffy for noticing Panda, and when i waved Pyro BB was also right there demanding i gave half the acres back and warred them, when i declined and said wave was legit i was told "gl getting cf from BB now :)))" which i saw as a clear threat and i pointed that out to Prot who then laughed and said "its not a threat its a fact", so yeah i felt like a pawn in you and your alliance games, and tho you never carried out the threats they were real to me if i didn't do as told..

"You can't post **** that makes me look bad on forum and expect to get away with it" isn't that your exact words when i was posting to defend myself and BB was involved? so yea you powerplayed and I'm sure I'm not the only one that can see all that ****.

oh forgot the "BB got nothing to do rest of the 5 weeks of the age and we only got you we not CF'd with" <-- so don't tell me i wasn't ****ing power played if i didn't listen seeing you been way bigger then fluffy all age.


Thanks cita, I'm recovering but slowly :/

[SnirpsneR]

Prot i got logs showing 25k as asking price for avoiding BB pk'ing us, i told Cheetzy no and he went back to discuss with yourselves and came back day after with 15k or B2B.

Flogger you been bullying me all age, you wanted me to shut up on forum or you would pk, i got the logs. I felt forced to war pyro as otherwise Panda would take the acres you forced me to give them in which case i couldn't have warred either.

You also threatened to pk fluffy for noticing Panda, and when i waved Pyro BB was also right there demanding i gave half the acres back and warred them, when i declined and said wave was legit i was told "gl getting cf from BB now :)))" which i saw as a clear threat and i pointed that out to Prot who then laughed and said "its not a threat its a fact", so yeah i felt like a pawn in you and your alliance games, and tho you never carried out the threats they were real to me if i didn't do as told..

"You can't post **** that makes me look bad on forum and expect to get away with it" isn't that your exact words when i was posting to defend myself and BB was involved? so yea you powerplayed and I'm sure I'm not the only one that can see all that ****.

oh forgot the "BB got nothing to do rest of the 5 weeks of the age and we only got you we not CF'd with" <-- so don't tell me i wasn't ****ing power played if i didn't listen seeing you been way bigger then fluffy all age.


Thanks cita, I'm recovering but slowly :/

Since when is flogger in BB?

[Aranfein]

I never said he was I know where he is but for me he's also voice of bb, and I think all can see where I would get that from, seeing it was bb he was threatening me with.

So all this mumbo jumbo I don't give a rats ass, the fact is I was threatened by players who held much more power then my newly formed 25 man kd could ever stand against, so you can all say what you want in bb/flogger or whatever, you weren't the one being threatened with pk for speaking critical of alliance or for a legit wave on pyro or for noticing panda and you weren't the one being forced to give 15k or b2b vs the kd that just beat you, on behalves of something flogger or bb wanted from me (I don't know who said it but that's what I was presented with).

So if BB is gonna start trying to claim that's not powerplay you can go shove something up where the sun don't shine, im sick and tired of being used as a pawn only for you bullies trying to claim it wasn't just cause you didn't carry it out.

[MrCurious]

Get your facts straight!

When the CF was over, SANC was the first kd to start waving Simians.
Simians saw that they have no chance against them. ( Their bank DTED Simians bank all home )
SImians started to wave HOH while sanc's wave was going on.
Sanc completed their wave on Simians and then Simians completed their wave on HOH.
HOH Declared!

Looking past your use of !!!!, your facts aren't entirely correct. Just saying.

[StratOcastle]

I never said he was I know where he is but for me he's also voice of bb, and I think all can see where I would get that from, seeing it was bb he was threatening me with.

So all this mumbo jumbo I don't give a rats ass, the fact is I was threatened by players who held much more power then my newly formed 25 man kd could ever stand against, so you can all say what you want in bb/flogger or whatever, you weren't the one being threatened with pk for speaking critical of alliance or for a legit wave on pyro or for noticing panda and you weren't the one being forced to give 15k or b2b vs the kd that just beat you, on behalves of something flogger or bb wanted from me (I don't know who said it but that's what I was presented with).

So if BB is gonna start trying to claim that's not powerplay you can go shove something up where the sun don't shine, im sick and tired of being used as a pawn only for you bullies trying to claim it wasn't just cause you didn't carry it out.

Dies a thousand deaths.

I'm glad you're feeling better.

Now that you have hindsight keep me and my kind in mind. I'm not asking to be recruited but I do have a hero trigger.

[Palem]

I never said he was I know where he is but for me he's also voice of bb, and I think all can see where I would get that from, seeing it was bb he was threatening me with.

So all this mumbo jumbo I don't give a rats ass, the fact is I was threatened by players who held much more power then my newly formed 25 man kd could ever stand against, so you can all say what you want in bb/flogger or whatever, you weren't the one being threatened with pk for speaking critical of alliance or for a legit wave on pyro or for noticing panda and you weren't the one being forced to give 15k or b2b vs the kd that just beat you, on behalves of something flogger or bb wanted from me (I don't know who said it but that's what I was presented with).

So if BB is gonna start trying to claim that's not powerplay you can go shove something up where the sun don't shine, im sick and tired of being used as a pawn only for you bullies trying to claim it wasn't just cause you didn't carry it out.

[Judge]

Looking past your use of !!!!, your facts aren't entirely correct. Just saying.

I was playing in Simians that age where we went Dwarf mystics as per calle's suggestion ad jordy our bank went MIA 12 ticks before cf-break and he starved for those 12+ ticks, which made it easier for sanc's bank to DT us.

[Anri]

I was playing in Simians that age where we went Dwarf mystics as per calle's suggestion ad jordy our bank went MIA 12 ticks before cf-break and he starved for those 12+ ticks, which made it easier for sanc's bank to DT us.

He had blocked aid and went MIA, when he finally did come back he ragequit. Very competent bank player... lol

[Anri]

Angels, BB and people does not speak for Pandas at all. Next time talk to only Pandas LS. Dont go thru BB.