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Last edited by brandonc204; 11-10-2018 at 07:12.
And again, I say, people are stupid. As John Oliver said, "You can't have opinions on facts. That's like having a poll that asks 'Is 2 a number?' or 'Are there hats?' Whether or not you think those things doesn't change the fact they are so."Originally Posted by brandonc204
The free market works because people can choose what they want to purchase. If I want to buy a hammer and I see that a hammer is going to cost me $50, I can make the choice if it's worth it to purchase or not. The only consequences of my possible purchase are that I either do or do not obtain a hammer. If I say develop cancer, I can either buy the obsencenely expensively services of a doctor, or I can die. That's about as much "freedom" as either being a slave or killing yourself to escape slavery.
So when some moron from South Dakota wants to say "Socialism doesn't work" despite being educated from a socially funding funded system and benefitting from countless other socially funded systems and the existence of other countries who have both a free market capitalist economy and a socially funded medical system that work perfectly fine (at least compared to our system) then his opinions become meaningless
Damn, I was too slow! (+1)
Also Free Market in sector with a high threshold of entry works because of government regulation(either by preventing the oligopolists/monopolists from pushing competitors out of business or by preventing them from gouging the customers) because the natural state would otherwise become an oligopoly or a monopoly which is bad from a free market perspective.
Worse than meaningless because it then becomes just another lie, and when people push lies as truth and succeeds(as shown in the last election) everybody suffers. Just look at the whole Intelligent Design bull**** the retrograde states are pushing as a substitute to proper science. And then people wonder why 42% of the US population believes in young earth creationism(aka the earth is younger than 10,000 years).
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
This is true, of course. But it doesn't make him inherently good, either, as people like handofthrawn are arguing - that somehow his wealth gives him an immunity to being leaned upon by special interests. Palem and I aren't arguing that Trump is bad because he's rich; we're simply rebutting a rather inane argument that he's good because he's rich.
(Of course, Trump isn't merely a businessman. He's a businessman who has repeatedly engaged in unscrupulous business practices, including several that at least border on corruption, and who has refused to place his assets into a blind trust, as presidents typically do upon taking office. I could very easily make the argument that he is "bad" based on all of these things. But that's not the argument being made here.)
Palem, I'd take the healthcare argument a little further. When you press McCarthyists on WHY "socialized medicine", they'll typically give you an answer to the effect that they don't want to have to pay for somebody else's care needs.
I've never seen an interviewer ask the right follow-up question to that, however: "Where do you think your health insurance premiums usually go?"
Most Americans with the luxury to criticize "socialized medicine" have health insurance benefits through their work. They see a chunk of money come off each cheque toward it, and are less aware of the much *larger* amount that the employer has to pay directly on their behalf - but the typical conservative logic on payroll expenses is that it fundamentally comes out of the worker's pocket. (It's a little more complicated than that, but it's not a totally unreasonable way of looking at it.)
Canadian healthcare isn't perfect, and no Canadian will argue that it is, but for most of us it works pretty well. But it functions as an insurance, not so different from American health insurance. The biggest difference is that we don't pay NEARLY as much for it as Americans do. (I mean, sure, there are a few mechanical differences, basically boiling down the single-payor nature of the system, but the point is that it's an effective way of providing health coverage to absolutely everyone at a relatively low cost.)
Now we have both Putin and Trump coming out saying they are gonna strengthen Nuclear arms capabilities... **** sake... New cold war anybody? Instead of 1 insane ass we now have 2 feeding off each other.
Putin and Trump have a good relationship. So what are you worried about?
The future.
Putin said that if Hillary Clinton got elected there would be war. He has stated on many occasions that if Trump is elected there might actually be peace and ccooperation between the USA and Russia. Which might finally bring peace in the middle east. I am confused why anyone thinks nuclear war or cold war will happen. At most there will be a trade war between us and China. Which I say about damn time.
Boy... You sure do like corrupt dictators.
You buying Putins B.S.? He wouldn't have done jack besides suffer the sanctions even longer. It is in his every interest that trump got elected. Now he has his leash loosened with a weak U.S. president.
You really think there would be a winner and a loser in a trade war with China? I don't think you realize how much our economies are linked. Maybe 20 years ago when China needed our tech and was under developed but now days there are markets that are enticing China even more than U.S. markets.
Whether you like it or not, with around 7.5 billion people on this planet and growing Globalization is not a choice. It's happening and will continue to happen. Do you lead the way or do you hide your head in a hole and pretend your the center of everything and get passed by?
Last edited by Swirvin'Birds; 24-12-2016 at 02:55.
Democrats have truly went off the deep end honestly. Russia is a nuclear power who could destroy the world if they wanted. Yet Democrats sh*t on them daily for what? A Obama administration saying Russia hacked the DNC. Obama also said you could keep your doctor or that rates wouldn't go up over Obama care. What about benghazi being caused by a video. What about his red line in the sand. Wikileaks even said it wasn't the Russians. I mean how stupid are Democrats to pick a fight with a super power without any evidence. Just reckless and dangerous.
Unless you work in government intelligence, you have no idea how much evidence they do or do not have.
They would parade it in the streets if they had anything at all. Point is trying to restart the cold war over hacked Democrats emails is beyond selfish politics. Maybe top Democrats shouldn't insult different races or fix there primaries. Maybe we should thank whoever leaked the emails and give them a medal. Point is its not worth starting a war over regardless of Russia being involved or not.
Trump should be called out for treason and so should you for defending Russias actions.
You think this is just about e-mails? You know they found the same Russian code in a Vermont power company computer. You know what Russia did 1st when the invaded the Ukraine? They used hacks to shut down the power grid.
This is some serious stuff and not something to just ignore. Even the sane republicans realize this.
If Russia influenced our election to help Hillary defeat Trump you would be screaming bloody murder. Kinda like how Trump kept claiming the Dems were gonna hack and steal the election. Lol.
Last edited by Swirvin'Birds; 03-01-2017 at 14:37.
There is zero evidence of Russian hacking and wikileaks knows who hacked the files has said it's not Russia. Russia is not our enemy and hasn't been for years. We have had a peaceful relationship with them also. So being friendly towards a allie who is in the UNITED Nations is not treason. This is not the cold war Swirvin'Birds. As for the elections why would I be mad if they produced real documents of Trumps thoughts behind the scenes? I would actually be thankful for such in sites. Clinton actually looked down and degraded, Hispanics, blacks, gays, jews, white working class, the poor and needy, even woman. All documents where real and authentic. The truth will set you free and I thank God for whoever hacked and revealed these truths.
I'm amazed this degree of ignorance still exists in an era where information is freely available.
http://www.businessinsider.com/six-c...-crimea-2016-5
> Since Russia's illegal seizure and annexation of Crimea from Ukraine on March 18, 2014, six countries have come out in support of Moscow.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-...sia-1483053902
> Many Ukrainians are worried about the new U.S. administration because it has promised a different approach to Russia—which invaded and forcibly annexed Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula in 2014 and then initiated and supported a so-called “separatist” movement to also gain control over parts of eastern Ukraine. We additionally worry that amid anti-establishment currents in Europe, coming elections across the Continent will usher in leaders who will want to make a deal with the Kremlin.
This isn't the actions of a "friend" or a "peaceful nation".
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