Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

[Pale]

People have to understand that there are 2 legitimate ways to secure honour towards the crown. #1 war for it and get the war win bonus (plus whatever you gained if any during the war) and #2 hit outside of war for it (pretty decent gains this way tbh). Both are legitimate. If you put yourself in a situation without protection because you failed at diplo, especially by having a blank cf, and it allows for someone in the honour race to hit you for a ton of hard fought/earned honour, even if it is bottomfeeding, then that's your own damn fault. If you guys wouldn't land drop all the time maybe you'd have been big enough to defend yourselves? You're all competing for the same crown. You gotta know where the competition is and what position they're in. You can't let your competition be in a position above you like FS was and then constantly try to run. All of the old utopia players will tell you that being in the "top" (usually in the 1 through 10 spots), be that honour or land, means you gotta be ready to defend your position at all times unless you've secured the proper cfs. Why? Because it's a competitive place to be and the mechanics of the game allow for you to get taken in a variety of ways. Getting waved outside of war is pretty brutal for honour loss, fortified or not, bottomfeeding or not. It's mostly about prov to prov nw. Throwing a hissy fit and organizing a gangbang just because someone else is smarter than you and put themselves in a better position to secure their goals and win just shows you haven't learned anything from any of this. Some lessons are learned the hard way. Learn from what happened and move on. You bring in help, bad things will happen to anyone who breaks the 1 v 1 fight. That is a promise. This has nothing to do with friendship, relationships, etc. When eoacf deals can just be broken without any kind of retaliation and gangbangs are allowed when someone just put themselves in a better position to win and the sore losers throw a hissy fit and decide to band together, then the game is truly dead. It's already half dead, let's not go all the way. The stronger, smarter, kd is supposed to win. That's the nature of war. Next time prove you're the stronger and smarter kd.

[starz]

People have to understand that there are 2 legitimate ways to secure honour towards the crown. #1 war for it and get the war win bonus (plus whatever you gained if any during the war) and #2 hit outside of war for it (pretty decent gains this way tbh). Both are legitimate. If you put yourself in a situation without protection because you failed at diplo, especially by having a blank cf, and it allows for someone in the honour race to hit you for a ton of hard fought/earned honour, even if it is bottomfeeding, then that's your own damn fault. If you guys wouldn't land drop all the time maybe you'd have been big enough to defend yourselves? You're all competing for the same crown. You gotta know where the competition is and what position they're in. You can't let your competition be in a position above you like FS was and then constantly try to run. All of the old utopia players will tell you that being in the "top" (usually in the 1 through 10 spots), be that honour or land, means you gotta be ready to defend your position at all times unless you've secured the proper cfs. Why? Because it's a competitive place to be and the mechanics of the game allow for you to get taken in a variety of ways. Getting waved outside of war is pretty brutal for honour loss, fortified or not, bottomfeeding or not. It's mostly about prov to prov nw. Throwing a hissy fit and organizing a gangbang just because someone else is smarter than you and put themselves in a better position to secure their goals and win just shows you haven't learned anything from any of this. Some lessons are learned the hard way. Learn from what happened and move on. You bring in help, bad things will happen to anyone who breaks the 1 v 1 fight. That is a promise. This has nothing to do with friendship, relationships, etc. When eoacf deals can just be broken without any kind of retaliation and gangbangs are allowed when someone just put themselves in a better position to win and the sore losers throw a hissy fit and decide to band together, then the game is truly dead. It's already half dead, let's not go all the way. The stronger, smarter, kd is supposed to win. That's the nature of war. Next time prove you're the stronger and smarter kd.

^this is the best comment so far.

[AlphaQUp]

Agreed nice comment Pale. I don't think SS has done anything to make myself or the majority of utopia sympathetic to their situation. Certainly I, and the majority of honorable players, find kingdoms breaking clearly agreed upon eoa CFs to triple team a single kingdom far dirtier tactics than a kingdom competing for the honor crown using totally legitimate tactics to take the crown. Shame on SS you'll have done nothing here but damage your already poor reputation as whiners. I'd be afraid to tag up next age if I were you.

[StratOcastle]

Agreed nice comment Pale. I don't think SS has done anything to make myself or the majority of utopia sympathetic to their situation. Certainly I, and the majority of honorable players, find kingdoms breaking clearly agreed upon eoa CFs to triple team a single kingdom far dirtier tactics than a kingdom competing for the honor crown using totally legitimate tactics to take the crown. Shame on SS you'll have done nothing here but damage your already poor reputation as whiners. I'd be afraid to tag up next age if I were you.

That's not correct. The diplo environment is unsavory for SS. This is in essence grand standing a position. I'm an honorable player and I'm clearly aware that the deck is stacked against kingdoms outside of what amounts to an alliance. Your alliance.

You have a behavioral test gauntlet. First and foremost the pecking order is clear. We know who's in charge and who answers to whom. This is classic elitism. Because you have a system you deem it as civilized to all, but it's really only civilized to those behind it's gates.

Do you think kingdoms are reacting as bad sports because the are inferior to you in some capacity? Of course you do, based on this commentary. You don't know these players. I do. And I know many of yours as well.

When we speak of honorable players we must also speak of the privilege of our surroundings. Just like being in a civilized environment we have the privilege to pump, to reach larger land mass and expect our enemies to inform us beforehand if they plan to attack us. There are no such privileges below this realm. For this reason, every war you face from a lower nw kingdom is easily in your favor. If you've ever read the nonsense in the Strategy Thread you know that many ghettos are intentionally misguided. This means they must unfold the secrets of the game without the benefit of the players that many of you have occupying the same space.

So you might be rendering an argument about "what alliance?". Excuse me for waiting to drop the other shoe but the "notice" environment is in of itself an alliance. You can offer the fact that you actually fight each other, but the reality is this provides all you need to be in superior position to all who might oppose you. This is precisely what you need to pump almost freely.

Blame yourselves for not being stewards of the game. From my naive perspective it appears some decisions were made on how many of the tops want to exit the game as it's killer. This doesn't make it true, but this is what it appears to be. The elitist rhetoric is thick and I find that offensive. Oh, it's gentile but it is elitist. Many don't understand trophy hunting; the privilege to kill the last of it's kind. I do understand this mentality.

The top is experiencing the resistance of players that want to play. You call their(SS) actions dishonorable and I call yours even more so. You will not agree with me, but these kingdoms didn't decide to take from the top out of random anger. You invaded their territory under the guise of competitive righteousness with all your powers. You speak of competition yet for FS I see 9 kingdoms above their station and holding. It's about the crown? No. Because you guys knew you would hit yourselves out of range until someone grew who fought for those honor points. Stop patting yourselves on the back. My honor is based in me proving it against the odds. The odds are heavily in your favor. This is when the honorable remain silent.


Merry Christmas by the way. I'm sure you're all nice people, and I mean that.

[Goodwitch]

That's not correct. The diplo environment is unsavory for SS. This is in essence grand standing a position. I'm an honorable player and I'm clearly aware that the deck is stacked against kingdoms outside of what amounts to an alliance. Your alliance.

You have a behavioral test gauntlet. First and foremost the pecking order is clear. We know who's in charge and who answers to whom. This is classic elitism. Because you have a system you deem it as civilized to all, but it's really only civilized to those behind it's gates.

Do you think kingdoms are reacting as bad sports because the are inferior to you in some capacity? Of course you do, based on this commentary. You don't know these players. I do. And I know many of yours as well.

When we speak of honorable players we must also speak of the privilege of our surroundings. Just like being in a civilized environment we have the privilege to pump, to reach larger land mass and expect our enemies to inform us beforehand if they plan to attack us. There are no such privileges below this realm. For this reason, every war you face from a lower nw kingdom is easily in your favor. If you've ever read the nonsense in the Strategy Thread you know that many ghettos are intentionally misguided. This means they must unfold the secrets of the game without the benefit of the players that many of you have occupying the same space.

So you might be rendering an argument about "what alliance?". Excuse me for waiting to drop the other shoe but the "notice" environment is in of itself an alliance. You can offer the fact that you actually fight each other, but the reality is this provides all you need to be in superior position to all who might oppose you. This is precisely what you need to pump almost freely.

Blame yourselves for not being stewards of the game. From my naive perspective it appears some decisions were made on how many of the tops want to exit the game as it's killer. This doesn't make it true, but this is what it appears to be. The elitist rhetoric is thick and I find that offensive. Oh, it's gentile but it is elitist. Many don't understand trophy hunting; the privilege to kill the last of it's kind. I do understand this mentality.

The top is experiencing the resistance of players that want to play. You call their(SS) actions dishonorable and I call yours even more so. You will not agree with me, but these kingdoms didn't decide to take from the top out of random anger. You invaded their territory under the guise of competitive righteousness with all your powers. You speak of competition yet for FS I see 9 kingdoms above their station and holding. It's about the crown? No. Because you guys knew you would hit yourselves out of range until someone grew who fought for those honor points. Stop patting yourselves on the back. My honor is based in me proving it against the odds. The odds are heavily in your favor. This is when the honorable remain silent.


Merry Christmas by the way. I'm sure you're all nice people, and I mean that.

best post ever. Merry Christmas!

[Feint]

People have to understand that there are 2 legitimate ways to secure honour towards the crown. #1 war for it and get the war win bonus (plus whatever you gained if any during the war) and #2 hit outside of war for it (pretty decent gains this way tbh). Both are legitimate. If you put yourself in a situation without protection because you failed at diplo, especially by having a blank cf, and it allows for someone in the honour race to hit you for a ton of hard fought/earned honour, even if it is bottomfeeding, then that's your own damn fault. If you guys wouldn't land drop all the time maybe you'd have been big enough to defend yourselves? You're all competing for the same crown. You gotta know where the competition is and what position they're in. You can't let your competition be in a position above you like FS was and then constantly try to run. All of the old utopia players will tell you that being in the "top" (usually in the 1 through 10 spots), be that honour or land, means you gotta be ready to defend your position at all times unless you've secured the proper cfs. Why? Because it's a competitive place to be and the mechanics of the game allow for you to get taken in a variety of ways. Getting waved outside of war is pretty brutal for honour loss, fortified or not, bottomfeeding or not. It's mostly about prov to prov nw. Throwing a hissy fit and organizing a gangbang just because someone else is smarter than you and put themselves in a better position to secure their goals and win just shows you haven't learned anything from any of this. Some lessons are learned the hard way. Learn from what happened and move on. You bring in help, bad things will happen to anyone who breaks the 1 v 1 fight. That is a promise. This has nothing to do with friendship, relationships, etc. When eoacf deals can just be broken without any kind of retaliation and gangbangs are allowed when someone just put themselves in a better position to win and the sore losers throw a hissy fit and decide to band together, then the game is truly dead. It's already half dead, let's not go all the way. The stronger, smarter, kd is supposed to win. That's the nature of war. Next time prove you're the stronger and smarter kd.

There isn't rule saying u cannot hit into war to stop ppl from getting honor crown. It is part of the game. Otherwise, dev should review and change the game mechanic. EOACF deal is not a rule also . It is just a deal mutually agreed by both side outside the rules . Stop being naive

[Pale]

There isn't rule saying u cannot hit into war to stop ppl from getting honor crown. It is part of the game. Otherwise, dev should review and change the game mechanic. EOACF deal is not a rule also . It is just a deal mutually agreed by both side outside the rules . Stop being naive

Enforcing mutual deals is a community based code that people have the right to enforce. Most of us who do diplo hold eoacf dealbreak to be one of the most severe. There is also a community code concerning hitting into war and interfering with 1 v 1 fights and against double standards like hitting out of hostile and stealing out of hostile. EOACF break is rarely justified and can only be done under extreme circumstances such as enforcing another deal. People throwing a fit and killing provs off because they knew mechanics and took advantage of them definitely isn't justified.

[Feint]

Enforcing mutual deals is a community based code that people have the right to enforce. Most of us who do diplo hold eoacf dealbreak to be one of the most severe. There is also a community code concerning hitting into war and interfering with 1 v 1 fights and against double standards like hitting out of hostile and stealing out of hostile. EOACF break is rarely justified and can only be done under extreme circumstances such as enforcing another deal. People throwing a fit and killing provs off because they knew mechanics and took advantage of them definitely isn't justified.

Whatever....it really boils down to one perspective which i failed to see it basically. I just wanna play normally but someone dont allow me too.
Then do it like another utopia similar game, when u hit into ppl war, there is 0% gain.
When a bigger kingdom hit a smaller kingdom or more province kingdom hit a lesser province kingdom, there will be a range of minus 25% to 75% gains.

Apparently game Dev dont care. So why should we care.

[Pale]

Whatever....it really boils down to one perspective which i failed to see it basically. I just wanna play normally but someone dont allow me too.
Then do it like another utopia similar game, when u hit into ppl war, there is 0% gain.
When a bigger kingdom hit a smaller kingdom or more province kingdom hit a lesser province kingdom, there will be a range of minus 25% to 75% gains.

Apparently game Dev dont care. So why should we care.

You could have played normally if you had so chose. Part of normal play in utopia is getting pushed around by those stronger than you. There's already plenty of mechanics on the side of smaller kds to help them protect themselves if they want to. There's also some on the side of the bigger kds as well. This is called BALANCE. Is the game perfectly balanced? Absolutely not and we can't help that the devs don't care. Those of us who put a lot of time and energy into this game, however, do care. Enjoy death.

As for SS and company, you didn't wanna play normally, you wanted a clear path to victory where you didn't have to fight the biggest and baddest kid on the block. This is offensive to most top players, both honour and land. Both groups vying for the crown just want their fair shot at their competition, but you guys didn't wanna so you deserved to be beaten if they had a means to do so. This is called competing. The best deserve to win. It doesn't always happen that the best kd does win but oh well.

Feint, you made your own bed with most of your actions this age and you knew exactly where it was going when you waved BB. Considering BB only asked for what, 4 total hits for an eoacf is pretty cheap. Giving a war and a win is just silly. You could have "played normally" by giving the 4 hits, or maybe negotiating it down, and going about your business. Your choices led to what transpired.

[pukusam]

You could have played normally if you had so chose. Part of normal play in utopia is getting pushed around by those stronger than you. There's already plenty of mechanics on the side of smaller kds to help them protect themselves if they want to. There's also some on the side of the bigger kds as well. This is called BALANCE. Is the game perfectly balanced? Absolutely not and we can't help that the devs don't care. Those of us who put a lot of time and energy into this game, however, do care. Enjoy death.

As for SS and company, you didn't wanna play normally, you wanted a clear path to victory where you didn't have to fight the biggest and baddest kid on the block. This is offensive to most top players, both honour and land. Both groups vying for the crown just want their fair shot at their competition, but you guys didn't wanna so you deserved to be beaten if they had a means to do so. This is called competing. The best deserve to win. It doesn't always happen that the best kd does win but oh well.

Feint, you made your own bed with most of your actions this age and you knew exactly where it was going when you waved BB. Considering BB only asked for what, 4 total hits for an eoacf is pretty cheap. Giving a war and a win is just silly. You could have "played normally" by giving the 4 hits, or maybe negotiating it down, and going about your business. Your choices led to what transpired.

i think that's generally feint's way of diplo, for those who have diplo-ed with his kd before. there is no such thing as normal way. emeriti waved us as well but in the end we just CF-ed and gave them essentially a free wave. but if you are asking for free hits to get prov crown, i.e. chart shaping, then in no way he is gonna give that.

[DM_Benjamin]

Most ages a thread like this is created regarding FS and I don't know why people are surprised. Their tactic is simple, get war terms agreed and then use full pool to ensure victory.

Surely I am not the only one who sees this

[protector]

i think that's generally feint's way of diplo, for those who have diplo-ed with his kd before. there is no such thing as normal way. emeriti waved us as well but in the end we just CF-ed and gave them essentially a free wave. but if you are asking for free hits to get prov crown, i.e. chart shaping, then in no way he is gonna give that.

Birdie: can we eoacf?
YOLO: sure, costs you 4 hits

Stop calling this chartshaping.

[Goodwitch]

Enforcing mutual deals is a community based code that people have the right to enforce. Most of us who do diplo hold eoacf dealbreak to be one of the most severe. There is also a community code concerning hitting into war and interfering with 1 v 1 fights and against double standards like hitting out of hostile and stealing out of hostile. EOACF break is rarely justified and can only be done under extreme circumstances such as enforcing another deal. People throwing a fit and killing provs off because they knew mechanics and took advantage of them definitely isn't justified.

So if enforcing mutual deals is a community based code, why can't enforcing fair play without bullying be community code as well? Cause it doesn't benefit the high and mighty and only the oh let's say 2000 players that aren't competing for crowns? This is exactly the problem that most of the competing players don't get. You need those 2000 players. But yet you give them no way to enjoy the game. Most don't come to the forum , they just quit.

[Goodwitch]

The stronger, smarter, kd is supposed to win

^^^^^^^
this

not the kingdom with the most "friends", not the kingdom that is the biggest bully. Not the kingdom that cries foul play every single war they get into. Thanks to their popularity every war made the forum so this is well documented.
They used to be a respectable kingdom. But if y'all let them get away with this then it will only get worse. Apparently there is no limit to how shameless they can be.
The mere attempt to let them know their forum behavior isn't appreciated cause them to jump all over StratOcastle. I don't know about you, but I have yet to see him be rude or mean to anyone. But yet they circled him like blood hungry hyenas. And anyone that dared to chime in got the same treatment.
The majority of players should not have to suffer so a handful of entitled elitists can get it the way they want it , when they want it.
I am truly saddened. I expected more from you.

[s7ark]

Goodwitch, you agreed that 'The stronger, smarter, kd is supposed to win'. yet you are scorned when you're being power played by a stronger kd?

Make a stand and stick by it.

Considering everyone started off at the same footing, I don't see anything wrong in waving for honor. If there's anything to fight for, it should be to change game mechanics if you're unhappy about crown race.