Vlahul rewrites The Art of War

[patapuf]

well, truth is.. these dudes, the Warcry kingdom that is - made the mistake to stay 5-10% draft into eowcf, and 4-7m gold each province.

with 24h before end of the eowcf - they were starting to draft and train and obviously they could not jump their draft from 5-10% into 70% or such.

we made some plunders over their gold, stealings and completed the wave with TM when no more gold was available.

***

However, the 2nd part of the story is yet UNTOLD, here it is:

we waited for the dudes of Warcry to train their 10-12 epa during the forti. They had 5k biggers acres - we had to grow 5k acres and train specialists to fit their size. They ended 170-180 nwpa and we was 150 nwpa - guess what? Warcry cried for no war.

Guess what!? after 70% trained with full 10-12 epa on their undeads... they still DID not made a war, but came here to cry about some plunders we did over them and about 10 TM or so.

And stealings.
Who would not plunder/steal 3-5m gold provinces?

***

Bottomline: they made the mistake of exiting EOWCF with 30-45% drafted army and barely any thieves. 3-6m gold on their provinces. Surely, we raped that - who wouldn't? We waited for them to pump 170-180 nwpa, 200 bpa, 10-12 epa vs our crap specialist kingdom - we tried a war deal since that's the standard nowadays. They refused, we did not waved second time (we could do that) - they should appreciate we did not take the free land 2nd time.

When this story happened, the Warcry kingdom was 19.5-20k acres and FREE was 15k acres. We instantly waved/plundered/explored/stol/trained into 18k acres so we can fit them when EOWCF ended (that was about 48h timeframe). Therefore - we was the undertrained, landfat and no pumped kingdom.

***

We kept waving kingdoms for 10 real days, trained whatever we could with stealing and specialists. Nobody wanted to war, we got free acres up to 26k.

Than we got full waved by "the brave" Blood Brothers or something like that. They were 2/2 with 4.6m nw vs our 0/1 and 4m nw. We did not cried, we did not begged for CF.

These dudes were insanely pumped with two eowcf pump, 500 bpa vs our 150 bpa, 12-15 epa everybody. 180 NWPA kingdom, bigger than us.

We pushed button instantly. Best we could do since there was literally no kingdom willing to war us.

We could have won the war under these terms, but:

1. we semi-chained their faeries to soften their defense for second wave.
2. on second wave, Araq from our kd sent 8000 elites (kept for defense) instead of horses >>>> 0 defense at 1000 acres.
3. their faeries quaded him and made incoming land on their chained TM, ruined our plans.

Eventually, we killed 1 of their provinces. Could have killed 3 others (they were down to 50-100 peons and 200a), but we've decided to keep the 4000 honor and 2000 acres we raped and WD.

So, yes... FREE does have 0/2 now, but we got 14 barons and 3 others nearly there.

***

We did not cried when Blood Brothers waved us with 500k bigger nw and maxed pumped. We wared with a big disavantage, and we lost the 150 BPA for WW - but we raped 4k honor and 2k acres in minimum time, killed 1 province and totally screwed their acreage distribution (while FREE has perfect acreage).

[Paradise]

We waved them and gave button on July 22. They declared on July 23. Here is the summary for those who are interested:

Hostile hit included. From Outlawz news
** Kingdom news report **
For the time from July 22 of YR2 till February 23 of YR3 - 50 hours

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 283 (14,521 acres)
-- Traditional march: 251 (14,215 acres)
-- Ambush: 5 (306 acres)
-- Massacre: 16 (18,690 population)
-- Learn: 2
-- Failed: 9 (3.2% failure)
-- Uniques: 93
Total attacks suffered: 254 (13,103 acres)
-- Traditional march: 236 (13,065 acres)
-- Ambush: 1 (38 acres)
-- Raze: 10 (0 acres)
-- Learn: 3
-- Failed: 4 (1.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 105

And I'd like to correct some points that patafpu made:
1. We were not 2/2, we were 1/2. I have no idea why you all keep saying we were 2/2, even in our own war forum.
2. We did lose honor, but last I checked, we lost ~2k before you WD, not ~4k
3. The dead prov were careless to leave 50 peons 5 hours before your withdrawal without logging in, so there's nothing to be proud of that really.

Anyway, thanks for the war. I'm sure both kingdoms have some experience to learn from this.

[darbs101]

Some poeple are blinded by thier ego..lol.. 1/2 warwins, they see 2/2..
Hahaha whatever

[fivefinger]

We waved them and gave button on July 22. They declared on July 23. Here is the summary for those who are interested:

Hostile hit included. From Outlawz news
** Kingdom news report **
For the time from July 22 of YR2 till February 23 of YR3 - 50 hours

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 283 (14,521 acres)
-- Traditional march: 251 (14,215 acres)
-- Ambush: 5 (306 acres)
-- Massacre: 16 (18,690 population)
-- Learn: 2
-- Failed: 9 (3.2% failure)
-- Uniques: 93
Total attacks suffered: 254 (13,103 acres)
-- Traditional march: 236 (13,065 acres)
-- Ambush: 1 (38 acres)
-- Raze: 10 (0 acres)
-- Learn: 3
-- Failed: 4 (1.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 105

And I'd like to correct some points that patafpu made:
1. We were not 2/2, we were 1/2. I have no idea why you all keep saying we were 2/2, even in our own war forum.
2. We did lose honor, but last I checked, we lost ~2k before you WD, not ~4k
3. The dead prov were careless to leave 50 peons 5 hours before your withdrawal without logging in, so there's nothing to be proud of that really.

Anyway, thanks for the war. I'm sure both kingdoms have some experience to learn from this.

Wait a minute - you guys are Blood Brothers and not Outlawz? Wait.... BB...?!

Also, the stats you quoted say you gained almost 1.5k more land but FREE says they raped 2k land?
FREE said they raped 4k honour and resulted in 14 barons but I also see 4 viscount 7 barons at Outlawz (and in fact have overall higher honour). Something is fishy here...! You guys choose honour bonus or land bonus?

[jaon]

killed one of our prov. thats funny. that noob was online and think he can live with that tiny peon count. too bad.. death sentence lol

[fivefinger]

Dead or not, that province sounds useless to me anyway so it must be the result of FREE, whether direct or indirect. So nothing wrong with FREE claiming they killed it.

[patapuf]

they had other 3 provinces at 100-150 peons and 200a. Could have killed those in 24-36 hours.

You forget the attacks in war generates honor. That's why you only lost 2k-2.5k, because we have generated an extra 1.5k honor by war attacking.

1/2 or 2/2 is not much of a deal. the idea is you had two eowcf pump and 12-14 epa on all of your provinces, while we had one in OOP at 500 acres.

Anyway, we are not complaining at all. Your kingdom is cripled in acreage, lost a province... you gain nothing this war, just the 150 extra bpa. No honor and only 7k acres (they picked acres for WW).

We are not denying your WW or waring capacity, you played well, you deserve the war win - obviously. You were active and had a good coordonation, but I hope you do understand we had no wpa and no epa :).

If Araq would have not suicided and feed your Faeries with free land:

1. you would have not got them Viscounts (freeo 300 honor on quad taps)
2. you would have not grown them, we would have ended the chaining on 3 of your faeries.
3. we would have continued the war and kill 4-5 provinces, including the 2-3 faeries.

***

4. We are killing Araq :)) haha.

[MaGiciaNz]

***

We kept waving kingdoms for 10 real days, trained whatever we could with stealing and specialists. Nobody wanted to war, we got free acres up to 26k.

Than we got full waved by "the brave" Blood Brothers or something like that. They were 2/2 with 4.6m nw vs our 0/1 and 4m nw. We did not cried, we did not begged for CF.

These dudes were insanely pumped with two eowcf pump, 500 bpa vs our 150 bpa, 12-15 epa everybody. 180 NWPA kingdom, bigger than us.

We pushed button instantly. Best we could do since there was literally no kingdom willing to war us.

We could have won the war under these terms, but:

1. we semi-chained their faeries to soften their defense for second wave.
2. on second wave, Araq from our kd sent 8000 elites (kept for defense) instead of horses >>>> 0 defense at 1000 acres.
3. their faeries quaded him and made incoming land on their chained TM, ruined our plans.

Eventually, we killed 1 of their provinces. Could have killed 3 others (they were down to 50-100 peons and 200a), but we've decided to keep the 4000 honor and 2000 acres we raped and WD.

So, yes... FREE does have 0/2 now, but we got 14 barons and 3 others nearly there.

***

We did not cried when Blood Brothers waved us with 500k bigger nw and maxed pumped. We wared with a big disavantage, and we lost the 150 BPA for WW - but we raped 4k honor and 2k acres in minimum time, killed 1 province and totally screwed their acreage distribution (while FREE has perfect acreage).

Gosh. Ive never made a forums account to post in my years of playing utopia and I salute you for making me do it. Im Poh, lead of The Blood Brothers. We might be unknown but we are definitely not "something like that". I dont get why you and some others keep making things up.

1. Raped 2k acres? Last I checked we TOOK 1.4k acres from you. You mentioned yourself you got free acres up to 26k. Now youre 24.4k. Try do the math there.
2. Keep 4k honor? We were 55K honor and you were 53k honor. Youre now 54.6k Assuming you were 53k in honor you would have been 57k honor now. Again do the math.
3. What do do you mean that we have 500bpa? We were 1/2 when we warred you. How did we magically get 2/2 with 500 bpa.
4. 12 - 15 epa.. We had max 12.5epa. We werent insanely pumped on our rogues who just explored 250 acres each 3 days before we waved you. Thus why you could take them down so easily.
5. Your terms are totally wrong. During your second wave, no hits were made on our rogues. Our faeries were already unbreakable to your kds offense at that point unless you consider suiciding your halflings into them as breaking. Rogues propped your elves who had no WT on them at all. Araq mistake or not, there was nothing you could do on 2 unbreakable rogues then.
6. You DID NOT kill 1 of our provinces. He was new and didnt know that having 0 peasants would kill his province. When asked, he said he had food and GC and didnt expect that he would die. Dont take the glory of killing when non did the killing shot. And unlike FREE, we do not raze of our province for making a mistake he did not intend.
7. We were not 500k bigger in nw. When we waved you we were at the same NW. You took the wave and dropped 400k NW.
8. We had 5 attackers who could 2x 22k defense and remain unbreakable at near 60k defense. We were just massing your entire KD by then. There was no way you could have pulled a win from there. Your entire KD has no NS potential after all the razes. Not to mentioned your mystics at 1-1.5tpa with no WT. We had 24/7 of MS on your provinces and about 3 of our provinces received MS in returned. Our NW lead was increasing as time goes by. There was no way your KD could have sustained your army. By the time of WD, your max offense was only 56k and that was suiciding entire force of elites. Our faeries were 1 at 41k Defense and 6 at 60k - 85k defense.

If theres anything that i mentioned you find untrue, please do point it out. I would like to look at it. I didnt want to say it but now that these fake claims appear, your KD was so sure about winning thus the declare. Vlahul was telling people that we offered them a farm war by waving into them and FREE cant refuse that. Its sad but true. Below im posting the war summary to show you your land gain.


== HOSTILE hits included ==

** Kingdom news report **
For the time from July 22 of YR2 till February 23 of YR3 - 50 hours


** Summary **
Total attacks made: 283 (14,521 acres)
-- Traditional march: 251 (14,215 acres)
-- Ambush: 5 (306 acres)
-- Massacre: 16 (18,690 population)
-- Learn: 2
-- Failed: 9 (3.2% failure)
-- Uniques: 93
Total attacks suffered: 254 (13,103 acres)
-- Traditional march: 236 (13,065 acres)
-- Ambush: 1 (38 acres)
-- Raze: 10 (0 acres)
-- Learn: 3
-- Failed: 4 (1.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 105

** The kingdom of #:# **
Total land exchanged: +1,418 (283/254)
+782 Exodus (15/0)
+746 Utopia (16/2)
+693 Khaaaannn (16/1)
+691 Aydindril (14/0)
+686 NewHope (16/2)
+612 Extremist (14/0)
+511 Hydroxymitragynine (13/3)
+265 Memoria (4/1)
+95 Puppet (12/13)
+30 Sensitivity (4/0)
+12 Boobs (4/0)
+11 An unknown province (1/0)
-2 Polymerization (17/7)
-27 Burden (3/1)
-29 Hogwarts (4/4)
-96 Nivek (5/2)
-155 Parachute (15/19)
-246 Totem (4/6)
-262 Westy (13/23)
-265 Pestilence (14/15)
-312 inHOsPitable (16/21)
-343 Too (12/30)
-404 Spectral (11/31)
-422 shoppingmall (14/24)
-531 Ivalice (13/23)
-622 Guardian (13/26)


** The kingdom of #:# **
Total land exchanged: -1,418 (254/283)
+486 ZenithSun (9/3)
+485 Leio (9/0)
+450 k4r (8/0)
+293 Chervie (5/2)
+289 Hop (13/3)
+242 RuPhiN (8/2)
+187 Burner (10/3)
+167 RayofHope (13/9)
+125 -Smiles- (7/7)
+89 Spamely (11/5)
+80 Charm3d (6/4)
-26 Acidic (10/11)
-38 RiPpY (7/8)
-91 Cello (10/13)
-130 Dreamy (18/22)
-194 Molly (9/4)
-214 Cheese (12/12)
-223 conclave (9/10)
-253 Syrion (12/18)
-405 3ger (7/17)
-482 Draak (12/21)
-490 Zhuelle (14/19)
-555 DeGoodz (11/24)
-555 Woe (12/22)
-655 AK-47 (12/44)

[MaGiciaNz]

they had other 3 provinces at 100-150 peons and 200a. Could have killed those in 24-36 hours.

You forget the attacks in war generates honor. That's why you only lost 2k-2.5k, because we have generated an extra 1.5k honor by war attacking.

1/2 or 2/2 is not much of a deal. the idea is you had two eowcf pump and 12-14 epa on all of your provinces, while we had one in OOP at 500 acres.

Anyway, we are not complaining at all. Your kingdom is cripled in acreage, lost a province... you gain nothing this war, just the 150 extra bpa. No honor and only 7k acres (they picked acres for WW).

We are not denying your WW or waring capacity, you played well, you deserve the war win - obviously. You were active and had a good coordonation, but I hope you do understand we had no wpa and no epa :).

If Araq would have not suicided and feed your Faeries with free land:

1. you would have not got them Viscounts (freeo 300 honor on quad taps)
2. you would have not grown them, we would have ended the chaining on 3 of your faeries.
3. we would have continued the war and kill 4-5 provinces, including the 2-3 faeries.

***

4. We are killing Araq :)) haha.

1. Only 1 faery who attacked Araq got to viscount. Check back your news on who attacked Araq. Other viscounts did TM of 3 acres to 7 acres to deep chain him. How do they get honor from that?
2. Like I mentioned. 2 rogues were already UNBREAKABLE when you did your second wave and NOT ATTACK our other 2 rogues. By your 3rd wave, a 3rd UB rogue came up. I myself got from 80k to 89k def from a wave of prop. Your KD has 60k max offence on halflings by suiciding every elite leaving land defense.
3. Im not gonna interfere your internal affairs decision but its sad to see a player being killed off for a mistake he didnt make intentionally. Good luck in retaining players in FREE.
4. I would like to once again say that there was no way FREE could have pulled a victory on it even if Araq did not suicide. He was just an additional icing on the cake. Im not saying that FREE was pumped for the war because they arent. Have bad wpa. But im just saying that dont go around telling ppl that us waving FREE was a farm war offer that sounded so confidently that FREE would have pulled an easy war win from it.

*Edit - Araq if you see this, do PM me ingame. I would like to have you join our KD if you like to.

[stoffi]

I don't understand war kingdoms.

"We want war and they want war but they waved us but we knew they were going to wave us and lol @ them for not just arranging a war"


Seriously, is it that hard to just war each other?

I was thinking that too. Just press the button if you want war.

So let me get this straight... you wanted to war FREE... and saw them taking your intel... and had an entire eowcf pumping to prep for them. Then they wave you right oow and you call that a sucker punch or a low blow or whatever you want to call it. To me that's saying they gave you a button and if you were prepped accordingly, you would have quite the advantage going into war with button and first war wave.

Still sounds like poor preparation and too much reliance on 'war agreements' rather than using some common sense. FREE can send whatever msg they want asking for war after a wave if they please. From being an outsider and having no intel, it sounds like you just came out well underpumped which gave FREE an opportunity to wave and not feel pressured that you would instantly press the button gaining advantages.

What he said.

[patapuf]

<locs>

That's your faeries at 500-600a. Stop lying for "7 acres hits". You farmed it good - our mistake.

You mention your 60k def, our humans in this moment still have 60k mod off. You seem to miss that and mention only the halfers - not the 6 humans.

There was no point in chaining your faeries with that incoming land. Or maybe it was and should have done it, who knows?

You had 2 UB faeries left, yes. They were the mystics, we had no concerns on that.

Anyway, why do we argue? we are both happy with the war, right? so gratz again and good luck.

****

PS: we do kill AK-47 province because one of our guys have to quit due to IRL job. Araq will move on his province, so the player stays - the province goes :).

[fivefinger]

I like it - keep going Blood Brothers, you're starting to make a name for yourself. Maybe you can start writing the Art of War lol.
FREE, is it true that you told people BB was a farm war offer? Wow... that sounds stupid.

[stoffi]

1. Only 1 faery who attacked Araq got to viscount. Check back your news on who attacked Araq. Other viscounts did TM of 3 acres to 7 acres to deep chain him. How do they get honor from that?
2. Like I mentioned. 2 rogues were already UNBREAKABLE when you did your second wave and NOT ATTACK our other 2 rogues. By your 3rd wave, a 3rd UB rogue came up. I myself got from 80k to 89k def from a wave of prop. Your KD has 60k max offence on halflings by suiciding every elite leaving land defense.
3. Im not gonna interfere your internal affairs decision but its sad to see a player being killed off for a mistake he didnt make intentionally. Good luck in retaining players in FREE.
4. I would like to once again say that there was no way FREE could have pulled a victory on it even if Araq did not suicide. He was just an additional icing on the cake. Im not saying that FREE was pumped for the war because they arent. Have bad wpa. But im just saying that dont go around telling ppl that us waving FREE was a farm war offer that sounded so confidently that FREE would have pulled an easy war win from it.

*Edit - Araq if you see this, do PM me ingame. I would like to have you join our KD if you like to.

Araq is still with us, who kicks a guy for making one mistake? :p


Btw, even if your guy made a mistake about having 0 peasants, it was us who killed him. He just didn't know how to counter it. :)

[fivefinger]

Memoria probably got really good honour from that but the rest were below 31 to 50 acres gain... I doubt the honour gain!

[Paradise]

We know you fought well under your own condition, and we fought well too, and made good use of your mistake. Who wouldn't? We are just not happy with the false numbers that you claimed to make your loss more glorious, and our win less impressive. That's all. We even congratulate you with the honor gain despite losing.

And I'm sure vlahul was happy when we waved them, "farm war and can't refuse" he said. While I admire the rare confidence sparkled within, my 2 cents would be just don't do the talk if you can't walk it.

P.S: If all the "ifs" and assumptions in our life turned true, I would be million times richer than Bill Gates. So just take it as a chance to improve rather than excuses for failure.