Not ever gonna happen as long as the US doesn't fungamentally changes the way representatives are assigned. a "first across the line winner takes it all" system naturally coalesces towards 2 or possibly 3 major parties vying for control.Originally Posted by noobium
If you want more variety you'll need to change to a percentual distribution for congress, at the very least for the house of representatives.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I think with the conservative establishment in a permanent minority and the rabble doing whatever, something like that would have to happen. The alternative is the Democrats kick the crap out of everyone at national-level elections forever.
Three way systems are quite stable. The electricity flowing to your house is an example.
The only change that needs to happen is with the voters. Currently many voters vote in favor of name recognition. That needs to be inverted. So if you recognize a name but you cannot name specific great things you like about that candidate then you vote against. Vote anti-incumbent frequently. Three parties is natural because first you vote against the incumbent then you vote against the party that sucks. So the third (or fourth+fifth) is the obvious choice.
You do not need to vote for a winning party to have a large impact. Voting green or libertarian sends a very strong message to candidates that are in office. They have to recognize your concerns or they will lose. Office holders can disregard people who always vote democrat or always vote republican. When you vote third party you influence policy.
Really what needs to happen is to maintain a Liberal as President (such as Obama) who is unwilling to reach across party lines, and a Republican House and Senate, so that nothing ever gets done. It seems the country works best when the government is too locked up to "help us." At least when everything is stalemated business's are able to predict what is going to happen.
Hillary gonna win.
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In theory that sounds great, but that's simply not how things work, there are essentially only 2 parties, and any vote put on one of the small nonexistant entities are essentially wasted. So people vote instead for the party they least hate because if they vote by their hearts and that ends giving the seat to the guy you absolutely hate you're indirectly responsible for putting him there if the people who had voted for the opposed minority parties instead of the major opposing party.
So in reality you end up with 2 major parties who all migrate towards the middle because that's where the swing voters are and in "a winner takes it all" system only the centrist swing voters really matter, everybody else is irrelevant because they're gonna vote for the party that most closely align with their values regardless of how much they creep towards the center. That results in voter becoming disillusioned and feeling they have no power(because essentially they don't unless they're swing voters).
Besides, look at just about any western democracy, the majority of them have a percentile based assignment system to at least 1 chamber and all of them manage to keep the power flowing. They pretty much universally have higher election participation, even in the nations that doesn't have penalties for not voting and generally their public feels like they can actually influence politics (because they can).
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Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
More Arizona shenanigans:
http://usuncut.com/news/arizona-polling-disaster/
Obvious ****ery is obvious.
Dunno why peeps are even discussing this.
The Clinton Foundation has won it
I do have some sympathy for the Bernie millenials who believe in democracy
And some sympathy for all the working class b*gers who vote Trump that have been boned.
Fact is: dumb ass neo-liberals with cash think they're smart and you're gonna have to suffer Hilary.
Blacks and Hispanics are so beaten down they believe it.
Bright side is that it will trend Bernie now on the Dem race and it'll slowly stop corrupt Centrism. Possibly
And eh, maybe a populist ,centrist who isn't a authoritarian will arise on the Repub side?
Dunno about that. Trump has many flaws, but he is surprisingly in the centre if you disavow his authoritarian leanings.
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Hilary won it when she announced she was running for president. She could have been a no-show to all the debates and ran no campaign and still won it.
Indeed.
Hopefully she will just leave it up to Bill to run the country and fxck interns as he sees fit. That'd work. = )
That Hillary won should be a foregone conclusion.
What should depress people is that the bias in media is so blatant, and how opposition is so feeble-hearted.
Populism and centrism are mutually incompatible. You can't really represent the people while suggesting that the American system is fundamentally fine.
Sadly my guess is that if you get the revolution you're asking for, it's going to be a revolution for the elite interests, against the few remaining freedoms of everyone else. Then who knows what - probably nothing, because there would literally be no opposition to the one extremist ideology that is permitted in our current system.
I've been wrong all thread but I'll call it again... Trump will win the general, despite your expectations and my wishes. All of the poisons that lurk in the bog must hatch out.
This is not true, my main noobium man.
You can be both populist and centrist.
As..most of the US actually is.
How many people do you know in the US who don't love their country as patriots?
I'd bet not many.
How many in the US do you know that don't want a shot at the dream just because of where they were born?
Not many I bet.
The US at heart, from my point of view , has always been at best a meritocracy. A democratic one.
It's had poor moments , like civil rights, etc in the past, but all countries in the West bear that burden.
There's nothing wrong with saying that free markets make money and lift up lives , while saying they also have to be regulated.
That's the fair part. Both come together. A free market but a fair market.
Is there poison in America at the moment? Undoubtedly so.
That poison comes from the market having been free but unfair.
Hard working Americans have seen their lives erode despite being law abiding hard working citizens who love their country while their jobs have been sent overseas to increase corporate profits .
That's f*cked up.
Now, do I agree that the Southern start, superdelegates and msm narrative has hurt Bernie's political message gaining traction?
Of course . Start the race in the Pacific states and remove superdelegates and the narrative becomes different.
That said. He will keep the lizard tracking left to fight him off, and people will come up with new Nordic capitalist solutions to move the Dems left but keep them socially engaged.
Trump or Cruz ain't winning this election. And if the millenial Bernie votes stay engaged, they can start taking Senate and House votes back from the highly engaged tea party conservatives.
Well that or there will be a "Muslim enforcement " patrol car in every city and the Dixiecrats will win. =]
I see Bernie is winning the Union tonight.
Maybe Clinton vs Cruz for Confederacy president.
Bernie vs Trump for Union would be best?
=P
Not just winning but crushing.
If only Bernie could crush in primary elections. He's not done so well with votes, only blowout I can recall was NH. Bern has to win blowouts in most of the states from here on, and that is not happening in NY for sure.
Bit peeved by CNN's continual reminders about the white vote, while forgetting the Clintons' obvious advantage in the south.
The primary system really ought to be reformed after this cycle. One national primary, rather than the private organization primaries being made into the clown show they are. The multi-year election cycle is ridiculously expensive.
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