Canadian Rebellion VS Pandas

[Loons]

They started it! - A whoring kd hit a prov with minimal offense and overextended from his kd, playing without CFs. I've been on both sides of this and every time I was the solo prov it was my fault I got hit.
Chit play- He was offered a reasonable CF AND apology prior to being raze killed. He ran into a war that was detrimental to his own kd without a chance of victory in order to dodge and pump to screw Expendables over, he got hit while in what might as well be a fake war and only once! So calling it a legitimate war is beyond a stretch.
Godly's lies- He's offered up logs and shown already the ones pertinent, he has even corrected his own misconceptions.
Octo's actions- You're now just finding new ways to say 'hit into war'. You don't get 2 points for this, infact I award you no points and may Godly have mercy on your soul.

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I was in Folle kingdom that age. It was an attempt of a pew pew retirement ghetto. I was retired at the time, but was asked by Folle to make a province so they would be able to have 10 players and not be merged with another kingdom. Which failed since some nubs like binbin and shai <3 ofc ;p and i cant remember who else failed to create their provs in time. So we merged with this other ghetto. My province was 'Iwasretired' an orc.

I can confirm that Folle had zero desire to be a team player (has he ever?) His only goal was to pump himself. A few weeks into the age, i was approached by Taddy to take over a prov in ED. My orc was something like top 10 orc in land at the time. I told Folle im gonna go join Taddy and what to do with my prov. He told me to release everything so he could intra me and get my land.

I didnt agree with that but I did what Folle told me to do. I had not talked much with the kingdom at all, since i was just really there cuz i was asked to create a prov and had no desire to really play that age.

I can confirm however that Folle was playing for himself only, and I am not at all surprised that the kingdom eventually started intra razing him. For those guys I am sure what CR did was nothing but help for them to get rid of a big plague in their kingdom.

[Band of Horses]

And many other whoring KDs have been on the receiving end of actions like this from other players in the past. Had CR come to an agreement with Folle (that he would accept), they wouldn't be suffering these razes into their war.

The details of who hit who first and who ****played who are at this point irrelevant. Folle feels wronged, he's going to get even, and CR can't do anything about it.

CR ofc expected razes, as most top kds do in war as it's the only time the disenfranchised feel powerful. But Folle doesn't get to ride a high horse on this. He isn't fighting on a moral high ground. Using multies to do these makes his actions far more despicable. It's interesting to see where your logic has gone in this discussion, you're now at "well Folle can do whatever he wants" instead of Folle is right in doing so.

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I was in Folle kingdom that age. It was an attempt of a pew pew retirement ghetto. I was retired at the time, but was asked by Folle to make a province so they would be able to have 10 players and not be merged with another kingdom. Which failed since some nubs like binbin and shai <3 ofc ;p and i cant remember who else failed to create their provs in time. So we merged with this other ghetto. My province was 'Iwasretired' an orc.

I can confirm that Folle had zero desire to be a team player (has he ever?) His only goal was to pump himself. A few weeks into the age, i was approached by Taddy to take over a prov in ED. My orc was something like top 10 orc in land at the time. I told Folle im gonna go join Taddy and what to do with my prov. He told me to release everything so he could intra me and get my land.

I didnt agree with that but I did what Folle told me to do. I had not talked much with the kingdom at all, since i was just really there cuz i was asked to create a prov and had no desire to really play that age.

I can confirm however that Folle was playing for himself only, and I am not at all surprised that the kingdom eventually started intra razing him. For those guys I am sure what CR did was nothing but help for them to get rid of a big plague in their kingdom.

Thanks Loons, it is good to have insight to this. I tried to decipher the facts from opinions in this and you've certainly helped with that.

[Pillz]

There is no right or wrong in Utopia anymore, if there ever was. Kingdoms, if we want to talk about them collectively, have memories comparable to goldfish and will use any excuse to further their position.

Many whoring kingdoms have been subject to massive multie assaults before, for reasons even pettier than this one, and the validity of Folle's claims (and I do take his side in this story, because I know octo, blizz, folle, and CR) is irrelevant to the present situation. Namely, folle is set on doing something and CR is determined to cry about it as loudly as possible. Which is not a bad reaction, I would be mad if I was getting razed by a pissy danish **** too.

[Band of Horses]

There is no right or wrong in Utopia anymore, if there ever was. Kingdoms, if we want to talk about them collectively, have memories comparable to goldfish and will use any excuse to further their position.

Many whoring kingdoms have been subject to massive multie assaults before, for reasons even pettier than this one, and the validity of Folle's claims (and I do take his side in this story, because I know octo, blizz, folle, and CR) is irrelevant to the present situation. Namely, folle is set on doing something and CR is determined to cry about it as loudly as possible. Which is not a bad reaction, I would be mad if I was getting razed by a pissy danish **** too.

We are on relatively the same page meow.

There is no right, but there are degrees of wrong in Utopia. Folle is going to keep doing this no matter what we determine the validity to be so you're right it is irrelevant. But we can judge him as a community and label him a pissy danish **** instead of some stalwart for justice that he imagines himself to be.

[Loons]

We are on relatively the same page meow.

There is no right, but there are degrees of wrong in Utopia. Folle is going to keep doing this no matter what we determine the validity to be so you're right it is irrelevant. But we can judge him as a community and label him a pissy danish **** instead of some stalwart for justice that he imagines himself to be.

BoH has it right

[MyNameIsMatija]

Can someone put it in short cliff notes what's actually going on here please? Someone hit something. somewhere, I'd honestly appreciate a summary (I see too many words to go through all of this).

[Pillz]

We are on relatively the same page meow.

There is no right, but there are degrees of wrong in Utopia. Folle is going to keep doing this no matter what we determine the validity to be so you're right it is irrelevant. But we can judge him as a community and label him a pissy danish **** instead of some stalwart for justice that he imagines himself to be.

Folle cares about justice for himself in retaliation for CR's actions. Hitting into war, 'fake' or not, has been decried countless times by various persons and kingdoms in Utopia. In that sense, he is a stalwart for justice. And all the same, CR deserves a similar label. 'Entitled Pussies' is appropriate.

[Korp]

Folle cares about justice for himself in retaliation for CR's actions. Hitting into war, 'fake' or not, has been decried countless times by various persons and kingdoms in Utopia. In that sense, he is a stalwart for justice. And all the same, CR deserves a similar label. 'Entitled Pussies' is appropriate.

He probably cares more about his butthurt ego than anything else, if he was for justices he wouldnt waited 4 ages just to get them at minum risk towards him.

[Pillz]

Justice for his ego, his province, the ****play he experienced.
Its not for some notion about the sanctity of war and I dont think hes framed it as such, the fact he was in war is just the circumstance of the ****play

[Band of Horses]

He probably cares more about his butthurt ego than anything else, if he was for justices he wouldn't have waited 4 ages just to get them at minimum risk towards him.

Exactly. Though it was 2 ages ago.

[Korp]

Justice for his ego, his province, the ****play he experienced.
Its not for some notion about the sanctity of war and I dont think hes framed it as such, the fact he was in war is just the circumstance of the ****play

Its not about justices, its about hurt ego. "Justices" is just a false pretense for justifying your own ****play. "You ****played me oh im gonna ****play you so you know not to ****play next time!! but not until i can raze your chained provinces in war" ..

[Disgrountled]

A short summary of the war since declaration till ...well everyone can read dates down there (LL`s not included)

** Kingdom news report **
For the time from March 23 of YR9 till April 24 of YR10 - 194 hours


** Summary **
Total attacks made: 1,493 (194,179 acres)
-- Traditional march: 1,279 (186,517 acres)
-- Ambush: 62 (7,539 acres)
-- Conquest: 1 (123 acres)
-- Raze: 49 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 67 (173,230 population)
-- Learn: 17
-- Failed: 18 (1.2% failure)
-- Uniques: 456
Total attacks suffered: 1,036 (181,740 acres)
-- Traditional march: 826 (179,182 acres)
-- Ambush: 10 (2,558 acres)
-- Raze: 51 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 108 (806,375 population)
-- Learn: 11
-- Failed: 30 (2.9% failure)
-- Uniques: 294

** The kingdom of Pandamonium **
Total land exchanged: +12,439 (1493/1036)
+10,925 Punchbag (78/4)
+5,769 An unknown province (10/0)
+4,838 idontsleepthroughalarms (30/3)
+4,116 Gryffud Hillside (48/13)
+3,364 WantedToBeHuman (28/3)
+2,769 Skittles (73/21)
+2,300 Fuzakeru na (92/19)
+2,239 Oooolala (55/15)
+2,030 We Are Legion (20/18)
+1,796 Haters gonna HATE (27/9)
+1,366 Robe and Wizard Hat (44/11)
+1,223 Terminator (85/64)
+1,007 Juandissimo Magnifico (23/6)
+984 candy canes and planes (32/15)
+577 Jack The Hammer (34/3)
+429 DonPapa (22/5)
+184 Late Bloomer (88/30)
-1,122 Hola (85/61)
-1,357 druglord (61/56)
-2,072 White Boy (101/147)
-2,997 Deepness in the Sky (99/72)
-3,028 no sleep for you (28/31)
-3,267 Religitard (61/38)
-4,343 Tamriel (96/130)
-6,953 We Do NOT Forget (85/88)
-8,338 It Hurts When I PVP (88/174)


** The kingdom of Canadian Rebelion **
Total land exchanged: -12,439 (1024/1493)
+50,532 An unknown province (111/0)
+3,713 Abnormal Summit (42/0)
+2,971 Raucous Rainbow (39/0)
+2,699 sheep shaun (16/1)
+2,674 Superman (24/6)
+2,024 Trollbunden (24/4)
+1,353 tweetheart (95/87)
+1,338 The potato chronicles (32/0)
+1,006 Goldy Goldy (21/1)
+1,000 Selina Kyle (12/11)
+601 Kylo Ren (42/39)
+71 Your Ken can kiss my Barbie (8/1)
-107 Chemistry (47/44)
-241 Delphinapterus leucas (22/12)
-1,273 Scary Scary (9/19)
-1,914 Nirvash (52/53)
-2,019 Break the silence (47/53)
-3,515 HowMayIAssistYou (45/137)
-4,638 Kim Jong Il (90/124)
-4,811 Blue Falcon (95/212)
-7,313 Boo (19/20)
-7,645 OPEC (30/102)
-8,121 Special K (15/45)
-10,279 Darla (66/417)
-10,502 gnar (19/43)
-20,043 homo sapiens (2/62)

[StratOcastle]

I agree with Steel on this. I have nothing against the parties involved but degrees of ass are irrelevant. Why? Because the ones crying foul may have a morbid past they find funny among themselves.

There are plenty of selfish players that I remain silent about. I've been accused of being selfish and I brush it off.

I don't cheat. I accept that others can and do. But I have the same feelings about cheating/multi as I do totalitarian kingdoms that run like a multi. That's what drones do; they act as they are commanded with little to no regard for their province. In fact it's irritating to some that they have to go through the motions of recruiting a can of Alpo to run a province. I'd imagine that feels great.

We should be culturally aware of this in our game.

[Anri]

A short summary of the war since declaration till ...well everyone can read dates down there (LL`s not included)

** Kingdom news report **
For the time from March 23 of YR9 till April 24 of YR10 - 194 hours


** Summary **
Total attacks made: 1,493 (194,179 acres)
-- Traditional march: 1,279 (186,517 acres)
-- Ambush: 62 (7,539 acres)
-- Conquest: 1 (123 acres)
-- Raze: 49 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 67 (173,230 population)
-- Learn: 17
-- Failed: 18 (1.2% failure)
-- Uniques: 456
Total attacks suffered: 1,036 (181,740 acres)
-- Traditional march: 826 (179,182 acres)
-- Ambush: 10 (2,558 acres)
-- Raze: 51 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 108 (806,375 population)
-- Learn: 11
-- Failed: 30 (2.9% failure)
-- Uniques: 294

** The kingdom of Pandamonium **
Total land exchanged: +12,439 (1493/1036)
+10,925 Punchbag (78/4)
+5,769 An unknown province (10/0)
+4,838 idontsleepthroughalarms (30/3)
+4,116 Gryffud Hillside (48/13)
+3,364 WantedToBeHuman (28/3)
+2,769 Skittles (73/21)
+2,300 Fuzakeru na (92/19)
+2,239 Oooolala (55/15)
+2,030 We Are Legion (20/18)
+1,796 Haters gonna HATE (27/9)
+1,366 Robe and Wizard Hat (44/11)
+1,223 Terminator (85/64)
+1,007 Juandissimo Magnifico (23/6)
+984 candy canes and planes (32/15)
+577 Jack The Hammer (34/3)
+429 DonPapa (22/5)
+184 Late Bloomer (88/30)
-1,122 Hola (85/61)
-1,357 druglord (61/56)
-2,072 White Boy (101/147)
-2,997 Deepness in the Sky (99/72)
-3,028 no sleep for you (28/31)
-3,267 Religitard (61/38)
-4,343 Tamriel (96/130)
-6,953 We Do NOT Forget (85/88)
-8,338 It Hurts When I PVP (88/174)


** The kingdom of Canadian Rebelion **
Total land exchanged: -12,439 (1024/1493)
+50,532 An unknown province (111/0)
+3,713 Abnormal Summit (42/0)
+2,971 Raucous Rainbow (39/0)
+2,699 sheep shaun (16/1)
+2,674 Superman (24/6)
+2,024 Trollbunden (24/4)
+1,353 tweetheart (95/87)
+1,338 The potato chronicles (32/0)
+1,006 Goldy Goldy (21/1)
+1,000 Selina Kyle (12/11)
+601 Kylo Ren (42/39)
+71 Your Ken can kiss my Barbie (8/1)
-107 Chemistry (47/44)
-241 Delphinapterus leucas (22/12)
-1,273 Scary Scary (9/19)
-1,914 Nirvash (52/53)
-2,019 Break the silence (47/53)
-3,515 HowMayIAssistYou (45/137)
-4,638 Kim Jong Il (90/124)
-4,811 Blue Falcon (95/212)
-7,313 Boo (19/20)
-7,645 OPEC (30/102)
-8,121 Special K (15/45)
-10,279 Darla (66/417)
-10,502 gnar (19/43)
-20,043 homo sapiens (2/62)

Ahh right before wave on Sheep Shaun :/

[Elmo]