Expose Thieves

[HerpNDerp]

IMO this spell is ridiculously strong. There is no other spell (or op) quite like it. 6 casts of ET brought me from 100% stealth to 27% stealth in about 30 seconds. Oh, and over the course of 20 hours, getting ET'd every hour on the hour, I've been able to use 3 single ops (and I've lost 300 honor points to boot). I understand that the core concept of the spell is to limit the power of rogues (halfers in particular) and the enemy is doing a great job at it.

I simply don't understand how one spell can be that strong, while there is no equivalent to do the same against mana.

[Guardian Wolf]

IMO this spell is ridiculously strong. There is no other spell (or op) quite like it. 6 casts of ET brought me from 100% stealth to 27% stealth in about 30 seconds. Oh, and over the course of 20 hours, getting ET'd every hour on the hour, I've been able to use 3 single ops (and I've lost 300 honor points to boot). I understand that the core concept of the spell is to limit the power of rogues (halfers in particular) and the enemy is doing a great job at it.

I simply don't understand how one spell can be that strong, while there is no equivalent to do the same against mana.

There is it is called sabotage wizards if I am not mistaken

[Hustisya]

Plus the assasinate wizards. Fair enough imo.

[HerpNDerp]

Sabotage wiz does what, -2-3% with each op? I just don't get how 6 spells can take away 70% of stealth and take honor at the same time.

And AW assumes you have the opportunity to GA WTs down (and that is ignoring the futility of trying to op a Faery with CS/WT/decent rtpa)

I know that nothing will change, this crap just seems so imba.

[Palem]

I'll just paste this hear

The numbers, from the guide:

Expose thieves
Effect: Decreases available stealth of target province to between 66% and 93% of its original amount.

Assume 100% stealth: 5x ET -> down to 20% (min) 76% (max) stealth. Random number generation (25x) has 40% stealth remaining
Assume 70% stealth: 5x ET -> down to 15% (min) 54% (max) stealth. Random number generation (25x) has 29% stealth remaining
Assume 50% stealth: 5x ET -> down to 10% (min) 39% (max) stealth. Random number generation (25x) has 13% stealth remaining

See the power of ET? And it's an "easy" spell to land

I believe SW reduces mana by 7%, so the minimum amount that a ET can land for.

[FATstrat]

Someone sabotaged Palem's grasp of english!

Luckily I have exposed this error.

Back to the topic:

Heretic attackers will both love and hate these spells next age.

[Andurilas]

The gains on et and sw are nw dependent, I believe?

[CannaWhoopazz]

same thing happened to me in a war, had ET on me every tick, honestly couldn't do anything except right after the tick before they could ET me. It was brutal, but instead of sitting there complaining I switched gears and played around it.

Actually, I did ***** about it quite a bit! haha. But I still tried to adapt and play around it. I started attacking small guys, and put in more towers so I could op more.

[FATstrat]

If you can't ***** about it then it doesnt belong in utopia

[2Utopian]

ET is a really important counter to have available vs rogues. Rogues can do obscene amounts of damage essentially forever with -95% losses. Rogues would probably feel broken without having this option available to fight them.

[Bishop]

Sabotage wiz does what, -2-3% with each op? I just don't get how 6 spells can take away 70% of stealth and take honor at the same time.

And AW assumes you have the opportunity to GA WTs down (and that is ignoring the futility of trying to op a Faery with CS/WT/decent rtpa)

I know that nothing will change, this crap just seems so imba.

SW is heavily affected by thieves sent and is a lot more that 2-3% when done right

[handofthrawn]

Sounds like you need higher wpa and every good Rogue knows to be on every tick to use stealth. Also start of war you should have a plan to blow all stealth right at the beginning.

[Persain]

I'll just paste this hear

It requires discipline, not something you'll find in abundance in the warring tier.
The numbers, from the guide:

Expose thieves
Effect: Decreases available stealth of target province to between 66% and 93% of its original amount.

Assume 100% stealth: 5x ET -> down to 20% (min) 76% (max) stealth. Random number generation (25x) has 40% stealth remaining
Assume 70% stealth: 5x ET -> down to 15% (min) 54% (max) stealth. Random number generation (25x) has 29% stealth remaining
Assume 50% stealth: 5x ET -> down to 10% (min) 39% (max) stealth. Random number generation (25x) has 13% stealth remaining

See the power of ET? And it's an "easy" spell to land

I believe SW reduces mana by 7%, so the minimum amount that a ET can land for.

i'll just add it here too ET is 18% of current stealth for IN nw range targets only. i've had oor ET casts do 0% stealth damage when i was at 13% stealth which means ET does <7% damage when casting oor. As for SW, i think the min/op is 1, the max is up around 20%...(or at least max i've seen)

[HerpNDerp]

SW is heavily affected by thieves sent and is a lot more that 2-3% when done right

Uto wiki has a solid value for the range of effect ET has. SW does not. What is the required thief send to achieve max gains on SW? And what is max gain? I just simply don't know.

[HerpNDerp]

Sounds like you need higher wpa and every good Rogue knows to be on every tick to use stealth. Also start of war you should have a plan to blow all stealth right at the beginning.

Nothing a halfer will ever be able to do against Mystics et every tick :D