How do you stop larger KDs from farming you?

[aak12345]

So, we are basically a farm for larger KDs to get science and honor. What can we do to avoid/prevent this? There is currently a KD (1.3x our nw) who has made 30+ learns on us within a day and they are not stopping. Please provide help/guidance.

[Palem]

Have you asked them to stop?

[aak12345]

Of course. And they are persistent. We are even in fortified for 24+ hours but the gains are too good :(

[StratOcastle]

Sages with the ability to cast amnesia can be a boon. I'm an elf sage guy myself, but faery can do megatons if developed properly. You can also draw off a portion of said kingdoms core, say 10 provinces and max gain them to total destruction. Any max that involves gains like learns and trads. It goes to war, but just wipe out an arm of the enemy. You'll lose your top, but that's probably happening anyways.

Or you can ask them to stop.

Frankly I'd take it to war and crush the core salient, breakable by the majority of your core. Chaining is overrated if it's the only way you fly. If you augment max gains with chaining, like say cross chaining with learns and total concentration by t/ms on attackers you can WD with a dirty smile.

[umajon911]

aak PM me with details...

[aak12345]

StratOcastle, that is some really useful advice and we will try that against KDs that are, let's say, 1.5x+ our own KD nw, where we can split the KD into our range and out of our range. However, this particular KD is a little closer. They are 1.3x our nw and are essentially forcing a war here to get higher in the war rankings unfairly. Both KDs have high war wins and I am betting if we war them (we will obviously lose since we very recently came out of war), they will probably be top 5 in warring. What a cheap way to get there. If we were the same nw, we would easily put up a good fight and might even win. It is unfortunate, rly :(
We also have no sages.

[StratOcastle]

Next age. Nobody needs sages till they need them.

[umajon911]

No one thinks about playing sage until they wish they were one once they start getting learned....played sage last age. Learned 0 times even as an attacker.

[Binar]

im bored, poke me on IRC, or pm me ingame

[umajon911]

im bored, poke me on IRC, or pm me ingame

Poke! :-p

[aak12345]

im bored, poke me on IRC, or pm me ingame

I don't know you in game :(

[azsxdcfv]

Interesting that Cr4zY AnImAlS is bothering you guys again. Seems like they've been busy making enemies this age :)

[noobium]

Ultimately you don't, short of someone bigger involving themselves. You can make the farmout expensive to a point, and if you play your cards right you can use forced war declare as a nuclear option. However during those 48 hours, the larger kingdom can farm a lot of land and potentially honor/sci as well, particularly on their large defensive provinces.

Before, the win reward was too great to even consider a war going to max meter, but now it's a legitimate last resort. Unfortunately you have to be out of nw range, otherwise the win reward dwarfs any setback you could hope to accomplish short of winning.

[beans]

Play the meter and waste their time. If you dont war them they get no protection from other kds. massacre any tms you can break mercilessly. If your in fort raze them (raze ignores fort nerf). Keep MS up on them 24/7 and have your tms going oom/oos on other ops.

Like you said they are trying to force their way up in war wins. Dont let it go to war, just keep wasting their time and weakening them. when meter is close to max you can make 10-12 hits every day on decay and not take it to war. That isnt as many hits as they can make, but its still a freaking lot for a kd not in war protection to eat every day. eventually another kd will see how weak they are becoming and jump on them. Or you just waste their time until the age ends and they are frustrated that they didnt get a war at all.

You cant stop a bigger kd from farming you/ hitting you, you can refuse to CF them and just be a huge pain in the ass so that they can never safely move on to do anything else until the meter decays. which for 30 hits is probably over a week.

[Quacky-T]

Drop to Fortified, cast BB, get 10-15% Schools and GS.