How is what BB is doing not against the rules?

[Meep]

Not really, I am in for it! But just that CR sparks this debate, Cr's pet bart whams it here and there and does a propoganda on panthira who is already sour that her noob kingdom couldnt win against BB in a fair war.

This sounds fun!

Just to be clear, I don't speak for CR and never have, I speak for meep.

I brought this up in our slack and Zauper and Wuzi both said that since it wasn't actioned in the past when Pyro did it trying to prov crown that it wouldn't be actioned now.

I remain convinced that there is abusive potential here, particularly for land gain mid-age when pool is crucial, and I don't like situations where two KDs could do the exact same sequence of actions and have them be deemed against the rules or not arbitrarily.

I do think an ideal outcome would be that provinces can't interact with their originating KD in or out for 24 hours after defecting, and that an account that defects can not be given an invite back to the same kingdom in the same age.

[protector]

I remain convinced that there is abusive potential here, particularly for land gain mid-age when pool is crucial, and I don't like situations where two KDs could do the exact same sequence of actions and have them be deemed against the rules or not arbitrarily.

A fresh started province midage is next to useless in a fight. When there's still a competition going on, I don't think this is a very inviting strategy to use.

I do think an ideal outcome would be that provinces can't interact with their originating KD in or out for 24 hours after defecting, and that an account that defects can not be given an invite back to the same kingdom in the same age.

How does a 24h cooldown really help tho? Most KD's in range of such provinces aren't likely to gamble on a quad retal, so 24h later you can still send out and do it in the same fashion.
Or, lets say you're playing in a ghetto and your monarch decides to kill you. You defect to survive, so you wanna hit him and you can't.

[Meep]

A fresh started province midage is next to useless in a fight. When there's still a competition going on, I don't think this is a very inviting strategy to use.


How does a 24h cooldown really help tho? Most KD's in range of such provinces aren't likely to gamble on a quad retal, so 24h later you can still send out and do it in the same fashion.
Or, lets say you're playing in a ghetto and your monarch decides to kill you. You defect to survive, so you wanna hit him and you can't.

Except, if the prov quad retals, it is now wide open to be farmed.

If you don't quad retal and wait the 24 hours to send out and farm it with your kd, the prov has gbp stacked up and has already lost the top acres that would be the benefit of defecting it in the first place.

As for new provinces mid-age, mid-age whoring is easy, and if you read meeps next thread about abuse of mechanics, you find out that you can have near infinite TB space to make even your most poverty-striken new province well trained and ready to bang.

[protector]

Except, if the prov quad retals, it is now wide open to be farmed.

If you don't quad retal and wait the 24 hours to send out and farm it with your kd, the prov has gbp stacked up and has already lost the top acres that would be the benefit of defecting it in the first place.

As for new provinces mid-age, mid-age whoring is easy, and if you read meeps next thread about abuse of mechanics, you find out that you can have near infinite TB space to make even your most poverty-striken new province well trained and ready to bang.

I find it fairly unlikely that you can't adapt a province to be so well trained, nobody else can or wants to touch it. In a no-fighting state, whore kds are in pumpbuilds on as few military as they can afford.
In a fighting state, they are preparing for a fight and would (likely) not want interruption.

You can't purchase science higher than extreme neither can you increase the # of wizards other than what your buildings allow. Intra robbing just gives you gc, it doesnt give you wizards/science.

[Meep]

I find it fairly unlikely that you can't adapt a province to be so well trained, nobody else can or wants to touch it. In a no-fighting state, whore kds are in pumpbuilds on as few military as they can afford.
In a fighting state, they are preparing for a fight and would (likely) not want interruption.

You can't purchase science higher than extreme neither can you increase the # of wizards other than what your buildings allow. Intra robbing just gives you gc, it doesnt give you wizards/science.

If I can trade land off to TMs at the expense of having a low science/wpa bottom 2-3 provs at mid-age, who are still military heavy and finish off chains, I don't see why that's a bad thing.

Especially if it's putting my TMs another 1000-2000 acres above the whore cap and out of reach of my opponents core.

[Bart of Sparta]

I remain convinced that there is abusive potential here, particularly for land gain mid-age when pool is crucial, and I don't like situations where two KDs could do the exact same sequence of actions and have them be deemed against the rules or not arbitrarily.

I do think an ideal outcome would be that provinces can't interact with their originating KD in or out for 24 hours after defecting, and that an account that defects can not be given an invite back to the same kingdom in the same age.

No sense in arguing. I already fought that fight 1.5 year ago or so and lost. The admins prefer to run the game at their discretion and their discretion only, which is their good right. The only thing that seemingly changed is that in the past the policy was "I don't need proof, if I sniff something isn't right, I will delete" which changed into "I need solid proof before deleting".

I agree with your proposal, and perhaps add to that that the prov cannot hit any KD with which the originating KD is CFed.