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    Age of Tax

    July 21 of YR6 -Doctor Doom- (x:x) invaded Tyrannosaurus Deer (x:x) and captured 1,716 acres of land.
    July 21 of YR6 -Doctor Doom- (x:x) invaded Trash Panda (x:x) and captured 2,310 acres of land.
    July 21 of YR6 -Doctor Doom- (x:x) invaded Cat Snake (x:x) and captured 2,043 acres of land.
    July 21 of YR6 -Doctor Doom- (x:x) invaded Trash Panda (x:x) and captured 1,159 acres of land.

    My KD got taxed by Greeks and Emeriti coming out of war, we will probably be taxing CR when they come out of their war, woo Utopia.
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    This is the system everyone at the top seems to want to play in, and everyone seems to be willing to police to keep this system in play.

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    The system is retarded. Everyone should just attack eme and tax them.

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    I don't understand the incentive to war at the top. For some reason everyone wants to hit and AW your TMs, you get a nice land bonus just so it can get taxed off later. Only war that makes sense is against some unsuspecting Ghetto at the start of the age. Has this game always been about the first two weeks deciding the age?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija View Post
    July 21 of YR6 -Doctor Doom- (x:x) invaded Tyrannosaurus Deer (x:x) and captured 1,716 acres of land.
    July 21 of YR6 -Doctor Doom- (x:x) invaded Trash Panda (x:x) and captured 2,310 acres of land.
    July 21 of YR6 -Doctor Doom- (x:x) invaded Cat Snake (x:x) and captured 2,043 acres of land.
    July 21 of YR6 -Doctor Doom- (x:x) invaded Trash Panda (x:x) and captured 1,159 acres of land.

    My KD got taxed by Greeks and Emeriti coming out of war, we will probably be taxing CR when they come out of their war, woo Utopia.
    Your kingdom had the option to war, your ex-kingdom had option to war!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge View Post
    Your kingdom had the option to war, your ex-kingdom had option to war!


    We did ask for extra prep time btw, vulture was the only offer on the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija View Post


    We did ask for extra prep time btw, vulture was the only offer on the table.
    yes u asked for 10 days.
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    Man I was complaining at the mechanics before everything but you go ahead and make such ridiculous statements, guess you feel called out on your own.
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    End of War ceasefire: Maximum time reduced to 72 hours.
    From changes. There is your reason for the taxing system this age. I remember my "no notice into notice" terms were laughed away on the forum. As it stands, these deals are the only thing that keeps you save from vulturing. Another option would be to include terms such as "if notice expires during conflict, the KD in conflict will get EOW CF + 3 days to prepare for conflict".

    That and an unwillingness of individual KDs to sacrifice themselves to make the game competitive. Your KD Matija claims it plays without goals. So if it has no goals, why didn't you just FSU Emeriti when they asked to tax you? Look at Greeks v Pyro. Due to no WW bonus for OOR wars it's so easy to royally screw over a KD way bigger due to bottom chain advantage. Sure, said KD will get some top-land but if you target the right provs you can really wreck a KD. This is what happens when all KDs do what's best for themselves, rather than what's best for the competitiveness at the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija View Post
    I don't understand the incentive to war at the top. For some reason everyone wants to hit and AW your TMs, you get a nice land bonus just so it can get taxed off later. Only war that makes sense is against some unsuspecting Ghetto at the start of the age. Has this game always been about the first two weeks deciding the age?
    No, but the first two weeks can setup the rest of the age, and always have been able to.

    Emeriti has been very good about timing their CFs short enough to not give other kds space to war, and then whore and prep for them after. The only drawback to this is it makes kds feel like you are constantly forcing them to give land, which can be a bad thing, but shrug.

    Realistically, if you're not #1 and you're looking at the top, you want one of a few things:
    1) Lots of free land from smaller kds
    2) A war that results in a ton of gained land, giving you a size advantage
    3) A war with enough time after that you can whore, regain WPA, etc. This can make warring a fantastic way to grow because you can gain land from the WW bonus (and/or the war itself), followed by gaining significant possibility to whore land by shuffling your acre distribution.
    4) The #1 kd to engage someone else so that they have time to do the other things and pump up to vulture.


    e: ^^
    The shorter EOW time hurts, sure -- but it's not that big a deal because the logical response to just increase notice length to give yourself a similar amount of prep time. However, because Emeriti got a commanding lead early, they've been able to keep CF and notice durations short, giving them all they need to continually tax.
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    I know EoWCF change has to have to do with it, I'd change it so you could at least have normal explore costs during it...
    Why would we throw away our age just to FSU someone, wouldn't you be on here then saying how the FeyrPlay Alliance blocked Emeriti and FS is now gunning for crown. Whatever we do you find a reason to berate us. If I held you to your own standards I'd have 10k posts by now :S
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija View Post
    Why would we throw away our age just to FSU someone, wouldn't you be on here then saying how the FeyrPlay Alliance blocked Emeriti and FS is now gunning for crown. Whatever we do you find a reason to berate us. If I held you to your own standards I'd have 10k posts by now :S
    I might've done that. Doesn't mean you shouldn't have done it ^^

    I think a lot of the problems here come down to people being hesitant to do what needs to be done to achieve what you want to achieve (be it long-term or short-term goals). We just farmed + intraed about 4-5K of our land with the sole reason of being able to notify Pyro and engage in hostile conflict with Pyromaniacs BEFORE emeriti can notice us. This gives us time to prepare ourselves after war for a possible new conflict (at least EOW CF + 72 hours). Now some have already berated us for taking such course of action, and I wonder why?
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    More like the Era of tax. Around age 57-60 KDs were taxing out very heavily for different reasons. I was partially part of it and so was CR, AMA and other KDs in the top around that time. Extensions of CFs to be able to war undisturbed became common practice. People needed tax to make up for whatever land they could not get in wars. Some people picked wars, others picked tax system, the tax system is in general far greater since it allows you to dictate the rules and pump better. I really cant remember the word tax being used before this since people more used the term landdrop. I remember clearly one time we wanted to extend CR so that we could be left alone to fight Pyromaniacs, this was okey for CR as long as we gave them land or a war afterwards - I started using the word tax since it was the best way to explain the deal we made to CR and from there i think it just blew up all over the forum, AMA started to tax jerks and other kds, we taxed smaller kds as well and yea, game on, tax on all! I think the WW bonus is one of the more idiotic changes to this game combined with stupid hostile meter that forces KDs into war on 150 meter. Before this tax was not needed because you did not have to catch up on the WW bonus if you were whoring, whoring in itself generated a bit more land than warring did in general, a war was not very profitable compared to be able to just whore. Also the smaller kds had a great chance of fighting back since there was no meter forcing them into a war, you could actually **** the bigger KD really good back then if you knew what you were doing. The way Bishop made the game tax will be around. I tried last age to have most of the top agree to not tax anyone but it really did not work out.
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    I thank the experienced leaders for their input. Hopefully the developers look into this, the current mechanics seem like a setup for more boring ages to come, boring if you don't like cheating and taxing.
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