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    Age 69 Power Rankings

    This first post is prelim! Scroll down to find the final version (once it is posted).
    I have made some assumptions - in particular, I have left all the old science values in place for lack of any idea what the next science system's values will look like. FoK is still providing it's 4.88% sci bonus as well.
    And then there are the assumptions used every age: This measures raw attacking strength at a fixed NW, it does not cover hybrid, econ, or tank-y-ness considerations. It doesn't even get close to valuing T/Ms. I use assumptions I think are fairly accurate (10% homes, 20% TGs 10% forts, 7% pop sci etc.) for fairly solid T50-T100 warring straight attackers, so the further away from that you are the less likely this is to be accurate.

    So, here 'tis!

    Rankings_________OPA______DPA____NW/A____MPNW_____%Max
    Dwarf Pure Elite___115.76____62.33___267.56____0.666____70.40%
    Elf Elite off_______123.75____66.64___238.45____0.798____84.45%
    Halfling _________104.85____56.46___197.71____0.816____86.28%
    No Race__________99.22____53.43___180.29____0.847____89.55%
    Human__________126.92____68.34___226.66____0.862____91.11%
    Faery elite def____115.81____62.36___202.28____0.881____93.16%
    Avian no fanat____127.74____68.78___221.38____0.888____93.89%
    Faery no Elites____105.14____56.61___180.84____0.894____94.60%
    Elf no Elites ______111.5_____60.04___190.77____0.899____95.10%
    Avian ___________129.22____69.58___220.38____0.902____95.41%
    Dwarf no Elites____115.76____62.33___196.33____0.907____95.93%
    Faery 0 NW sols____64.94____34.97___108.73____0.919____97.19%
    Undead__________140.82____75.83___229.87____0.942____99.67%
    Orc _____________141.41____76.14___230.08____0.946___100.00%


    So, I think I know how to share a google spreadsheet, so I've spun up a public copy. Please copy to your own folder if you want to make edits you can't easily roll back.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
    Last edited by Ethan; 04-08-2016 at 02:12.
    it's vs. its is ambiguous - from now on I'm attempting to use the proper possessive it's, and the contraction 'tis. (Its will just be the plural.)

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    Thank you, Ethan.
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    Correct me then, instead of being a dick about it.
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    Obligatory "how do you calculate these you BLACK WARLOCK" post. But seriously, thanks Ethan.

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    Thanks ethan first time you posted the spreadsheet that was easy for me to play with...For what its worth i always wondered how far off you were from my values just based on "assumtions". So i plugged in some of my assumptions and my values are just highly exaggerated versions of what you already posted. The only issue i have was the assumtion of no stables....buts its barely effected the %'s when i expressed them like you did.

    For what its worth i took what you made tried my best to tweak with the following assumtions of 5 ppa, 3 wpa 2 tpa (modifed raw), War Sci 5%, homes replace farms (running 0 base), BE Sci 8%, fixed NW (build+sci+pes)=65, PopSci 8%, Stables cover offense, turtleablility (if you ran 20% forts same army mix, otherwise 0 forts), and set military u'd get at 100,00k nw

    Rankings_________Off______Def____Max Turtle_____NW/A__%max off
    Dwarf Pure Elite_52,985____19,944______57,215_____271___60.6
    Halfling_______55,174____27,576______51,787_____196___63.1
    Human________64,430____23,915______48,840_____226___73.7
    Elf Elite off_____65,851____22,060______59,038_____245___75.3
    Avian cler/tact__69,959____24,021______43,825_____225___79.9
    Avian warrior___77,038____24,021______43,825_____225___88.1
    Orc cleric/tac___78,924____22,709______36,329_____238___90.2
    Orc warrior_____86,960____22,709_____36,329______238___99.4
    Undead warrior_87,475____22,242______42,252______243___100

    My self conclusion is the exact same thing my gut ALWAYS tells me
    1. undead warrior breakers
    ---top off and good sustain, would be hard to justify orc warrior as a priority
    2. avain warrior> orc tact
    ---very similar military but +1 general+faster attack times>>>20% gains
    3.elfs then dwarfs only real turtles
    ---elf has +wpa and even if going say mystic v human cleric has "enough" extra military to eat 5-6 army in hits before dropping defense on par with human
    ---dwarfs relies on building swaps to appear weak (19k def army out?) then jump up military
    4. human not usefull as a tank
    ---def is low enough that any orc/undead/avain+warrior can double army in at 80% nw. -losses dont counter that.
    5. halfling terrible
    ---no where does it ever shine.
    Last edited by Persain; 04-08-2016 at 13:48.

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    Final version, not too much changed. Halfer losses pop penalty, is lame (as attacker) but not broken now. The other big mover is dwarf, which is now a perfectly fine utility attacker *as long as* you remember to use at least half o-spec on offense. (Are you ever gonna send less than that except in funny UB games? Which you better have seen the chance for pre-war, or they won't work anyway.)
    For science, I pushed the big 3 (of 4, but income isn't factored in any way here) up to the caps, since it looks like everyone just kinda gets sci. And ripped FoK out - no bonus from the replacement cause it doesn't break cap, just gets you there faster. (The improved sci numbers pushed orc closer to the rest of the mix.)
    I still don't know the NW of sols, but am gonna "go out on a limb" and say it is >=0, so that stupid faery can't be higher, and is probably lower.

    Rankings_________OPA______DPA____NW/A____MPNW_____%Max
    Elf Elite off_______132.22____71.2____244.89____0.831____84.66%
    No Race_________106.09____57.13___184.35____0.885____90.24%
    Human__________134.23____72.28___231.75____0.891____90.81%
    Halfling__________128.92____69.42___221.63____0.895____91.21%
    Dwarf Elite off_____134.33____72.33___229.33____0.901____91.84%
    Faery elite def_____122.4_____65.91___206.57____0.912____92.90%
    Avian no fanat_____136.53____73.52___227.16____0.925____94.24%
    Faery no Elites____111.1_____59.82___184.38____0.927____94.48%
    Elf______________119.13____64.15___195.25____0.939____95.67%
    Avian____________138.11____74.37___226.12____0.94_____95.77%
    Dwarf no Elites____123.77____66.65___201.07____0.947____96.52%
    Faery 0 NW sols____68.63____36.96___109.85____0.961____97.97%
    Undead___________150.49____81.03___236.01____0.981____99.98%
    Orc______________150.32____80.94___235.7_____0.981___100.00%
    it's vs. its is ambiguous - from now on I'm attempting to use the proper possessive it's, and the contraction 'tis. (Its will just be the plural.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan View Post
    I still don't know the NW of sols, but am gonna "go out on a limb" and say it is >=0, so that stupid faery can't be higher, and is probably lower.
    It's still 2.

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    Thank you again, Ethan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop View Post
    Correct me then, instead of being a dick about it.
    love that thick mahogany back with no belly carve or anything...pure thick wood ! The thing ROCK is made of !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo To View Post
    It's still 2.
    Last age near the end I was shuffling around soldiers on my Orc and 100 solds was increasing/decreasing my networth by 300

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    Game is not static but dynamic. Dont let numbers for static situation affect so much your choice. Subjective factors are often more important.
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    Yeah I just found that I was delusional about their NW last age. So the solds NW went 3 -> 2.

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