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    Dear newer kingdoms

    OK, I will write this because if someone does not tell you, you will be food.

    Do not spread your sages out across your science. Put them all in alchemy, then one hour before protection, redistribute them. your novices are so freaking overpowered in protection and since you can assign them with no penalty in the first 72 hrs, make sure to swap them to whatever you are doing AT THAT TIME for the first few days. If you are about to attack someone, 18 military sages. If you are going to sleep and your KD is stupid and gives ops, put it in channel/crime, etc.

    Thank you for your attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheister View Post
    OK, I will write this because if someone does not tell you, you will be food.

    Do not spread your sages out across your science. Put them all in alchemy, then one hour before protection, redistribute them. your novices are so freaking overpowered in protection and since you can assign them with no penalty in the first 72 hrs, make sure to swap them to whatever you are doing AT THAT TIME for the first few days. If you are about to attack someone, 18 military sages. If you are going to sleep and your KD is stupid and gives ops, put it in channel/crime, etc.

    Thank you for your attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheister View Post
    OK, I will write this because if someone does not tell you, you will be food.

    Do not spread your sages out across your science. Put them all in alchemy, then one hour before protection, redistribute them. your novices are so freaking overpowered in protection and since you can assign them with no penalty in the first 72 hrs, make sure to swap them to whatever you are doing AT THAT TIME for the first few days. If you are about to attack someone, 18 military sages. If you are going to sleep and your KD is stupid and gives ops, put it in channel/crime, etc.

    Thank you for your attention.
    Except the penalty of resetting their time so they take longer to skill up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop View Post
    Except the penalty of resetting their time so they take longer to skill up.
    this. resetting is great, but generally having 2x the sci will be better even if you have to wait for it.
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    at the start, the time penalty is nothing. When you consider the extreme gold starvation at start, you clearly want all 18% alchemy. Then being able to swap them all into military for OOP, make your wave, and then at the cost of only 1 hr delay, you set them to whatever distribution you want?

    oh boo freaking hoo penalty. Give me a break. No one is going to miss the net 26 hr delay. You have got to be freaking kidding me right?
    "having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
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    The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.

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    You said no penalty, it's a penalty.
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    OK, there is a 26 hr delay in exchange for being far more pumped (since mods mean nothing if they have nothing to modify) and waay more powerful OOP which will translate into a huge lead on everyone who does not understand this.
    "having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
    "while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date

    The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.

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    Why not start with them where you want them? If you plan on attacking immediately after OOP just put them all into military now and have no 26 hour delay and in less than 48 hours after OOP have graduates?

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    ummmm, because of math.

    you can get 18% more income when you are gold starved and have close to 20% more troops trained OOP and then compound that by having 10% more ME for a net gain of roughly 32% more defense/offense.

    That's why.

    Or don't and be food. I was being nice and trying to give you all a clue in since I know most don't think about this stuff.
    Last edited by Sheister; 09-08-2016 at 02:18.
    "having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
    "while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date

    The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheister View Post
    OK, there is a 26 hr delay in exchange for being far more pumped (since mods mean nothing if they have nothing to modify) and waay more powerful OOP which will translate into a huge lead on everyone who does not understand this.
    to anyone questioning, hes right his suggestion will help people.

    What he is saying as an example could be demonstrated by a extreme example of (guessing at #'s since i deleted my real math):

    Lets say i know im going to war oop. i put all my science im magic because im an elf mystic.
    On day 2 of the war (72 hours into the game) i would normally have all my science dudes lvl up. i'd go from say a 40-60% magic bonus. Now since i started with say +200 Starting Wizards and ran 40% guilds and like 25% banks. On that second day that day of war im on like 600 wizzards and have produced like 1.5 million gc (its an example just run with the #). My modified wpa is 600/400*1.4 (elf bonus)*1.6 (science bonus) or 3.36 mod wpa.


    Lets say I put all my science in gc, then at 26 hours put it all in magic. on day 2 of war (72 hours into the game) i DONT have all my guys lvl up, my magic bonus is still only 40%. However instead of running 40% guilds and like 25% banks, i ran 44% guilds and 21% banks. By this time my "Raw" wpa is 700 wizzards and my modified wpa is 700/400*1.4 (elf)*1.4 (science)=3.43 and have produced like 1.6 million gc.


    as 1.6>1.5 and 3.43>3.36 i have both more gc and better wpa than had i just ran all magic science from hour 0

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    Thank you persain for being less lazy than me and breaking it down for people.
    "having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
    "while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date

    The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.

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    remember your audience. telling ppl to switch up sci is only good advice up to a point. its good up until first war/eowcf. after war/week 1 though you are going to want to put some experience in on that sci.

    full alch is good oop, but avoid switches when possible outside this narrow window. otherwise instead of being oop food you end up having 50% the sci every one else does and become week two food.
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    Yes, that is why I said after OOP, set your distribution according to how you play. This is strictly for the first 24-48 hrs only and I am doing this as a service to try to have nubs not get completely wrecked out of the game because clearly no one really thought this new science system through or else there would be a cool down for swapping before the sci mods would be up (at least for protection).
    "having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
    "while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date

    The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingding View Post
    pls note, sheister is the one in the middle right now

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    It's just a flesh wound. :)

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