Abducting num bahs

[pathetic sheep]

Copying from http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...ducts-are-fine

Got one I think Friday, slightly bigger province and kd (arround 5% and 10% respectively) 27 scientists on the target, might not have run any protection. Failed a day or two earlier, on a 26 scientist t/m, nw arround the same, kd nw perhaps 10% smaller, might have run protective buildings or 27 might have ben the lowest number to give a possible return.

Abduct works, and it works just fine, in 1-2 weeks even the ones that don't know how it is played can get returns from abducts.

All the intel thats been collected so far thats about abduct points towards 30-31 being the number that needs to be achieved before abduct is viable. We dont know for sure either but thats part of the game, finding things out.

Why look at just the total scientists. I got an alchemy professor. Target had 15 alchemy professors. [in war, 104% net, not hit] Could be based on any of these:

-total scientists
-total professors (grads?)
-professors in a field
-skill points in a field

If it had been scientists in a field we should have seen a few abductions when the targets had 15+ novices.

[pathetic sheep]

Got one. in war. 93% networth, not hit much, + 4 hours time

Had 22 scientists total, 7 in housing.

Same target: 21 sci, 6 housing, attacked a little, 92% net. +4 hours time

Same target: Failed to abduct. + 4 hours, 91% net, attacked a little, 20 total sci

new target, in war, 92% net , attacked a little,

28 total sci, 5 in housing (I got housing), +4 hours time

[CannaWhoopazz]

Got one. in war. 93% networth, not hit much, + 4 hours time

Had 22 scientists total, 7 in housing.

Same target: 21 sci, 6 housing, attacked a little, 92% net. +4 hours time

was housing his highest category?

[Goodwitch]

the one i lost was from my weakest category

[CannaWhoopazz]

the one i lost was from my weakest category

If true, then the abduction probably happens randomly, and isn't tied to the spread of scientists.

[Goodwitch]

plus i had all levels at the time...1 grad and 1 novice in the category that was taken from...it took the grad

all this seems to point towards random gains, if we assume 7 wasn't the lowest category in pathetic sheep's abduct

[pathetic sheep]

was housing his highest category?

yes. but the last target had more in alchemy but I still took one from housing. Random selection fits.

[Shrinky]

My KD mate had 20 scientists. On an abduct, he lost a Professor.
Following are relevant details:

My KD is about 90% the size of the attacker's KD.
My KD mate is about 91% the size of the attacker.
Non anon attack. Avian tactician attacker. Elf mystic defender.
Neither KD is in war.

From this, it doesn't seem like there's a threshold above which scientists start getting abducted. It seems more like the more professors you have, the higher are the chances of getting a scientist as long as KD and Province NW factor is in your favour. Perhaps a lot of abducts early on failed because most of the scientists were still novice and graduates.

[StratOcastle]

Ok, so if you abduct a professor of alchemy what do you receive? A professor of alchemy?

I know this seems obvious, but random is random.

[Bo To]

My KD mate had 20 scientists. On an abduct, he lost a Professor.

That is just rubbing salt in injury. Having 20 scientists after a month is not bad enough you shouldn't make them professors.

[neanderthal]

Ok, so if you abduct a professor of alchemy what do you receive? A professor of alchemy?

I know this seems obvious, but random is random.

Yes, what you abduct is supposed to move to your Province. Ok now, not so great later when say you already have alchemy full of profs, and abduct another one. You will then have to reassign to another category and they start at novice again.

[pathetic sheep]

I got 2/2 out of war. Normal stance 100% relative networth. one kingdom was 84% networth, other was 107% rknw. Both were not hit much. everyone in normal stance.

Yes, what you abduct is supposed to move to your Province. Ok now, not so great later when say you already have alchemy full of profs, and abduct another one. You will then have to reassign to another category and they start at novice again.

I do not expect this to be a serious problem. If you are worried about it create 1 or 2 empty spaces in each category at the end of a war. Will frequently be professor before the next war. Then abduct full professors to fill the spot.

It is worth testing. Could be "abducted professor ni but there was no opening in science. Ni has joined the peasantry". Is also possible that professors are reassigned. Or it could be that abduction lets you gain more than the "max". The 15 limit could be the point were scientists stop randomly appearing.

[Goodwitch]

you can put more scientists than the "max", it just won't give you benefits

[pathetic sheep]

I have 4/5 total since last war.
102% networth, rknw 85.5,
99% net worth, rknw 83.3, not hit on first attack, little on second. second hit failed to abduct. had 28 then 27 scientists. missing 4.5 skill points

[CannaWhoopazz]

and are the scientists coming over with their experience intact?