Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[lillylu29]

All I am reading is my D'cks bigger....... No my D'cks bigger...... seriously I thought I was playing a WAR game......

[Pillz]

No. The hits we made on Sheister in your kingdom were the first hits he had taken since making 44 oow razes against our chained provs.

And maybe if you had messaged me asking what was going on before threatening to have 4 or 5 provs raze into our next war it might have turned out different. You just felt you had the right to declare razekill war on a kingdom without bothering to find out the facts. So it looks like we're as guilty as one another on that score doesn't it Korp?

The fact of the matter is that you took it upon yourself to raze somebody in our kingdom during an active hostile.
Now we are going to raze you, whenever that opportunity arises.

I don't know how the concept of double hostile has escaped such a seasoned and famous kingdom as yours.

[Kestrel038]

Hey man, where's the counteroffer

The counter offer was "drop it now and stop razing into our wars and we will leave you alone"

[Kestrel038]

The fact of the matter is that you took it upon yourself to raze somebody in our kingdom during an active hostile.
Now we are going to raze you, whenever that opportunity arises.

I don't know how the concept of double hostile has escaped such a seasoned and famous kingdom as yours.

I don't consider an extended conflict witha kingdom more than twice your size to be an "active hostile". Were you preparing for a real war I would consider it so.

Fact of the matter is that you invited someone who brought a large amount of baggage with him. You want someone to blame, look in the mirror.

[Nanka]

One accuses another of razing into war, yet the other accuses it of razing into hostile. Hmmm..

[Kestrel038]

3 times? Man, did we drop you guys a million nw without attacking? Thats pretty ****ing sweet.

When someone waves into your conflict its pretty standard to respond with aggression. In this case a aggressive messages.

You're 1.7 mill, we're 5.1 mill. I see your maths are as honed as your diplomatic skills.
And when a kingdom much bigger than you lands 40+ razes on a new province, it's pretty standard to find out what's going on before you threaten to raze into future wars

[Korp]

One accuses another of razing into war, yet the other accuses it of razing into hostile. Hmmm..

Both are confirmed events. Sheister did raze into their wars before he joined us and DD razed into our conflict. :)

[Sheister]

The counter offer was "drop it now and stop razing into our wars and we will leave you alone"

Care to post the message you sent in response to my diplo on that? Cause you never sent that. good try though.

I don't consider an extended conflict witha kingdom more than twice your size to be an "active hostile". Were you preparing for a real war I would consider it so.

Fact of the matter is that you invited someone who brought a large amount of baggage with him. You want someone to blame, look in the mirror.

When I Co-Led monument, Mercy of Absalom who was 17M NW waved us when we were 10M NW, WE hostiled them for three weeks to get their cow under control and were 8M NW at declare time and we had to hit into them 19 times to get into NW range so we could declare war. We warred them for an additional three weeks and eventually won the war.

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO SAY WHAT IS AND IS NOT A HOSTILE BASED ON NW?!??!? YOU KNOW NOTHING! You are so ignorant it makes my teeth hurt.

[Korp]

You're 1.7 mill, we're 5.1 mill. I see your maths are as honed as your diplomatic skills.
And when a kingdom much bigger than you lands 40+ razes on a new province, it's pretty standard to find out what's going on before you threaten to raze into future wars

But you shouldnt take current size, you should take the size we started the conflict with. Which was over 2 mil, after that i cleaned the house a lot. dropping 5 provinces.

[Kestrel038]

But you shouldnt take current size, you should take the size we started the conflict with. Which was over 2 mil, after that i cleaned the house a lot. dropping 5 provinces.

dropping 3 provs you went from 18 to 15 and the nback up to 16 with your new random. Maths really isn't your strong point Korp maybe stay away from the numbers for now.

Fact is you say it's fine for Sheister to wait for us to go into war and raze into us, but it's the crime of the century for us to raze him when he's just jumped into a kingdom in conflict. So you're saying we should have waited for you guys to go to war and razed him then? That would have been acceptable to you would it?

[makeo]

I don't consider an extended conflict witha kingdom more than twice your size to be an "active hostile". Were you preparing for a real war I would consider it so.

Fact of the matter is that you invited someone who brought a large amount of baggage with him. You want someone to blame, look in the mirror.

At the risk of going full Korp.

This is one of the most convoluted pieces of logic I have ever seen.

So if a kd retals against someone twice their nw they're not hostile and you are free to hit in because Sheisters plays there?

F*ck me.

I don't care about any of this sh*t mainly but I wanna raze you for saying something like that :]

Claiming a 50% nw kd isn't hostile because the larger one is oor and that they should be responsible for previous kd action of their peons. :(

Sad tiems

[Sheister]

dropping 3 provs you went from 18 to 15 and the nback up to 16 with your new random. Maths really isn't your strong point Korp maybe stay away from the numbers for now.

Fact is you say it's fine for Sheister to wait for us to go into war and raze into us, but it's the crime of the century for us to raze him when he's just jumped into a kingdom in conflict. So you're saying we should have waited for you guys to go to war and razed him then? That would have been acceptable to you would it?

There are several differences. Not the least of which is my problem was with your entire kingdom. I took an action against the kingdom. You interfered against a kingdom for the actions of one province. Hitting into a conflict is an action against a Kingdom. You did it. You are wrong. You have always been wrong. You just are too ignorant to see it.

[Kestrel038]

At the risk of going full Korp.

This is one of the most convoluted pieces of logic I have ever seen.

So if a kd retals against someone twice their nw they're not hostile and you are free to hit in because Sheisters plays there?

F*ck me.

I don't care about any of this sh*t mainly but I wanna raze you for saying something like that :]

Claiming a 50% nw kd isn't hostile because the larger one is oor and that they should be responsible for previous kd action of their peons. :(

Sad tiems

Double Hostile is generally accepted to refer to a second kingdom attacking in when pre-war hostilities with a first kingdom.

In fact, when I commented on this to Korp, he responded by saying "I deliberately didn't say we were in hostile, I said it was a conflict", thereby accepting that the situation with (x:x) was not what would normally be considered a "hostile" in the traditional sense of the game mechanics.

I accept they were in an extended conflict with the other kingdom (which we did not know about at the time we hit sheister), but the term "double hostile" has a very specific meaning in this game and is clearly NOT the case.

[Nanka]

I dont know if the origin of the issue being strangely similiar matters much, sounds like both sides are trying to put each down even though they know the other would not yield.

[Kestrel038]

There are several differences. Not the least of which is my problem was with your entire kingdom. I took an action against the kingdom. You interfered against a kingdom for the actions of one province. Hitting into a conflict is an action against a Kingdom. You did it. You are wrong. You have always been wrong. You just are too ignorant to see it.

No. we interfered with YOU not the whole kingdom. We didn't know your mates were in conflict and truth be told we probably wouldn't have cared much if we did know. We came after you for your actions. Nobody else was touched until the threats started flying from Korp and Bishop.

Razing into a war is an action against a kingdom too. It didn't stop you so why should it stop us you little hypocrite?