Munk-Wpa Calc Help

[jmiedema]

Hi, in previous ages wpa's were calc'd with 10% SoT, 10% Infiltrate, 10 thief SoS, 10 thief Survey. This would give a 100% accurate wpa.

This age it has clearly changed. I have tried the above and the wpa seems way off, I have then included a 10 thief SoM (because using .wpacalc in munk shows SoM in there, so thought maybe it is relevant) It still shows massively inflated wpa numbers on the Intel section of the Munk Site.

I notice sometimes after refreshing all the above intel that when you use .wpacalc that is shows a more realistic number, however then when I refresh the intel page, it still would show say an avian with 9 wpa (unchained of course) instead of around 2-4 where it should be.

Anyone know what intel to gather to make a 100% accurate wpa calc on munk this age, that shows it as such on the intel screen (not just after running .wpacalc every time you want to see it).

Thanks in advance.

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[jwuzi]

Can't use NW to calc wpa anymore because scientists have a "hidden" nw (nw is based on days of experience which you can't sosc for)

It's been changed to calc based on population mainly using this number from the SoM Military & Thief population 99,999 (99.9% of total)

New intel you need is as follows:

100% accurate SoT/SoM/Infiltrate
10 thief survey/sosc


I believe if you get these all within 5 minutes it'll do the auto calc, otherwise type .wpacalc provname

[jmiedema]

OK, so it must of just been the 10 thief SoM vs a 10% SoM then. I'll check it out. Thanks.

[jmiedema]

So as an example.. I just did one below using 10% Sot/Infiltrate/SoM and 10 thief survey/SoS. It auto calcs to 22k wizzies, but .wpacalc estimates 11k wizzies...

Looks like almost exactly 1/2. and now that I think about it, my previous example of exaggerated wpa said like 9 wpa where 4.5 or so would maybe make sense..



[1:15 PM] FSBot v3: veng# --spy on throne | ENEMY NAME -- |1758 sent (0.56)|5.64 (m.13.15)|rNW 0.99

[1:15 PM] FSBot v3: veng# --infiltrate thieves guild | ENEMY NAME-- 15974|1758 sent (0.56)|5.64 (m.13.15) vs 3.86 (m.4.33)|rNW 0.99

[1:15 PM] FSBot v3: veng# --spy on military | ENEMY NAME-- 8585|1758 sent (0.56)|5.64 (m.13.15) vs 3.86 (m.4.33)|rNW 0.99

[1:15 PM] FSBot v3: veng# --spy on sciences | ENEMY NAME-- |10 sent (0)|5.64 (m.13.15) vs 3.86 (m.4.33)|rNW 0.99

[1:15 PM] FSBot v3: veng# --survey | ENEMY NAME-- 2|10 sent (0)|5.64 (m.13.15) vs 3.86 (m.4.33)|rNW 0.99

[1:15 PM] FSBot v3: ENEMY NAME wpa calced to 22446 (5.4 wpa)

[1:16 PM] Venge: .wpacalc "ENEMY NAME"
[1:16 PM] FSBot v3: ENEMY NAME | WPA calc
Intel: SoT(0hr) Sur(0hr) SoM(0hr) SoS(0hr) Infil(0hr)

Max pop: 133571 | Military: 34058 | Training: 0 | Thieves: 15974
SoM non-peons: 45.8% => Est Wizz: 11144 (2.69)

[jmiedema]

OK.. So I just did 10% thieves on all 5, sot/som/infil/sos/survey and it came out exactly the same for auto calc and .wpacalc

So I guess it needs accurate survey and sos

[jwuzi]

Ah I remember now. Sos needs to be 10% but survey hasn't changed

Accurate sos needed because bot needs to know the accurate pop modifier which 10thief doesn't give.

[jmiedema]

So basically, since SoS doesnt show experience levels for scientists, it is impossibe to be accurate with NW based calc for wpa.

But also, pop based calc isn't 100% because there are lots of situations where a prov can be underpopped (just brought in houses.. got FB'd.. MS, etc) and wouldnt the pop based calc just assume that all of the difference between max pop and total pop is wizards?

So basically right now there is no way to be 100% accurate with WPA.. that sucks.. unless im missing something?