-wSk- vs CR

[Bart of Sparta]

This has been quite the war to watch, well done coss

While I admire Coss' skill, wsk is CRS' KD. Let's not forget that even people who aren't seen as "top-KD gg gfg soso-good" are also capable of playing this game ^^

[StratOcastle]

I always had good results running faery in long wars, but that's another story. You guys have schedules to keep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg_belm6apc

[Spice]

Faeries are very weak races in terms of attacking and sustaining. Static defence and ospec offence. They are only good if played defensively.

With proper training combinations a dwarf can be UB to any setup out here (apart from orc/ud).

Even with a B2B I dont see CR doing much damage. Just 1 more wave (maybe) and cr goes down the drain. I am saying this on the basis of kd page views only!

CR made the mistake of not training enough offense on their 7k faery to help in the bank fight. These faery were on 60k offspecs and 90k leets, this should have been reversed. Cr would have farmed WSK by now if that was the case

[Mike^]

war only - 84 houers in.

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 365 (60,986 acres)
-- Traditional march: 277 (57,055 acres)
-- Ambush: 31 (2,520 acres)
-- Conquest: 9 (1,411 acres)
-- Raze: 2 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 1 (13,726 population)
-- Failed: 45 (12.3% failure)
-- Uniques: 116
Total attacks suffered: 621 (50,952 acres)
-- Traditional march: 460 (41,323 acres)
-- Ambush: 73 (9,629 acres)
-- Raze: 8 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 34 (221,920 population)
-- Failed: 46 (7.4% failure)
-- Uniques: 174

** The kingdom of wsk **
Total land exchanged: +10,034 (365/621)
+14,575 An unknown province (21/0)
+1,304 Bad santa godthisthemesuqs (19/16)
+1,257 Good Santa grabz the Crown (15/4)
+1,247 Good Santa is drunk (4/3)
+747 Bad Santa is blazed (16/10)
+675 Bad Santa is Orc (13/18)
+672 Bad Santa Hates Julskinka (21/32)
+522 Good Santa whear dress (18/23)
+358 Bad Santa hates this theme (27/39)
+155 Good santa is smellz (33/24)
+152 Bad Santa is good (6/17)
+62 Good Santa is Zexy (33/67)
- Bad Santa is high (0/8)
- Bad Santa is Charming (0/3)
-225 HitTheKingforBadSantaTheme (16/31)
-403 GoodSantaLikesToHoHoHo (29/41)
-793 Bad Santa is Good Santa (0/8)
-853 Good SANTA are Cats (28/55)
-1,071 Bad Santa Curses Monarch (30/50)
-1,145 Good Santa aint no Hobbit (30/122)
-2,027 Bad Santa is not here (6/33)
-5,175 Bad Santa is Hello Kitty (0/17)


** The kingdom of CR **
Total land exchanged: -10,034 (621/365)
+9,191 An unknown province (20/0)
+1,654 Salvelinus (27/0)
+1,324 fsckface von clownstick (21/0)
+1,235 because you told me to (27/0)
+1,067 Amaranth (26/0)
+1,005 Body (28/0)
+947 Ford (25/0)
+859 Juandissimo Magnifico (27/0)
+809 Shake it off (21/0)
+779 Novorossiya (21/0)
+759 zanuta perversa (18/1)
+632 Thomas the choochoo (20/0)
+529 Rain of brimstone and fire (23/0)
+422 Bubble Wrap Foil (22/0)
-218 dickbutt (23/8)
-1,346 Goo (29/32)
-1,381 lok tar ogar (31/31)
-1,463 Harlequin (32/36)
-1,711 Pure Blood (32/36)
-1,768 Raze that faery heretic x2 (30/34)
-1,949 Derple (8/42)
-2,046 Snapshot rhymes with Grug (32/56)
-2,103 The Sugar Plum Faery (29/38)
-2,579 Chili con carnival (27/23)
-3,596 Freeze all motor functions (14/8)
-11,086 I miss my baby (8/20)

[tak3shi]

While I admire Coss' skill, wsk is CRS' KD. Let's not forget that even people who aren't seen as "top-KD gg gfg soso-good" are also capable of playing this game ^^

Bank fight got this and most of you "warring" kds have no bank experience.

[flogger]

WSK should be able to #spreadsheetofdeath a few of CR's chained faeries to 200a and 60k NW. Then if they do have free ops reign should be able to secure the WW once they can take 2 random 1.2 mil NW faeries down to the orc core range of chain death.

If WSK can do neither I could see this really dragging out, as CR will have a big core of UBs, all with ToG, and econ superiority. But then WSK have all the better UB TMs, so looks like it could really drag out depending on CRs resolve.

[tak3shi]

Faeries are also a terrible race attacking race everything being 50/50 I would bet any other top setup over Faeries.

I haven't checked the setups but if WSK has superior T/Ms especially rogues that will easily win the long war in dismantling all the other T/Ms. Once that is done, no attacker can be UB if they grow 2-3x their size and lose their mods, they will be food for the T/Ms and banks.

Chained provinces could also easily be given runes to FB the Fat Core. Unless CR can capitalize on the land which means having a superior number of UBs which cant be taken down easily and translate that into troops trained/etc. It will be just land farms.

[StratOcastle]

They don't have to grow and lose their mods. They can use a slight speed advantage and alternate attack types. As long as you can loop inside the enemy unique, you're fine(lessons in avian). I realize we're talking about a top war, and time is money. Big enough to challenge Emeriti is the question.

I'm not sure how convoluted wave times have become, but if they're still tight...could be part of the problem.

[coss]

We.re in no hurry. Our emrriti cf is still long to come. Can even whore quite a good amount of acres. As for CR ... KEEP IT UP. Best war I had in ages!

[Judge]

We.re in no hurry. Our emrriti cf is still long to come. Can even whore quite a good amount of acres. As for CR ... KEEP IT UP. Best war I had in ages!

Shhh. concentrate on ur war lady boi :P

Edit - Also its Emeriti!

[nickey]

Everyone now jumping the bandwagon to bash CR and their setup but I think it was a move(to go all faery) that had its upsides, but it probably relied on CR getting bigger advantage prior to war, which they usually do but now in equal fight faery banks are coming short and core fight isn't going out of control for CR either... good war anyhow ��

[StratOcastle]

Everyone now jumping the bandwagon to bash CR and their setup but I think it was a move(to go all faery) that had its upsides, but it probably relied on CR getting bigger advantage prior to war, which they usually do but now in equal fight faery banks are coming short and core fight isn't going out of control for CR either... good war anyhow ��

Not everyone. Cow battle you chalk up to coss, but core battle is winnable and possibly beneficial. My doubt are in the groundwork necessary to have made the core battle beneficial. Fundamental to faery sage core is the speed to abduct, trad march and separate by amnesia. My impression is this work wasn't done.

I understand the faery core was hitting 2-3 to 1? That's what I'm basing that assessment on.

[Proteus]

Do we know who is cowing for CR and who is running war?

[Zauper]

Should be interesting. If wsk actually badly messed up the hostile while already starting from less acres and a less gc, then that raises some serious questions about the war.

Things like two cows training (10? 13? 15?) DSPA and having to speed train them out into ospecs instead make a big difference on cash stocks... and prevents 2 safe initial cowhits (and corresponding additional pop space) and enables the overpop on motor functions.

Podcast was delayed to monday due to issues.

Here's the thing -- CR came into hostile with max hosps. So for example when wsk does things like bounce a cow with max hosps, you're not looking at good damage for what you're taking in exchange. CR was able to secure 12 or 13 UB core provs in hostile (giving them 17-18 provs UB vs wsk core), all of whom could 4x any of WSKs core with offense leftover, plus the four core capable of breaking the bottom two cows in WSK if they sent out. At cfdrop, CR had 2 safe core provs, so we're talking about 10 additional provs secured in those first 24h of hostile.

Offhand, it looks like wsk was able to bring down 2 of those, and the rest are still currently safe. However, CR hasn't been very organized at exploiting this tier, the plan has been a bit scattershot with insufficient focus to snowball in any direction. It seems like all the massacres (cow to setup ns? fae to slow ops? and chained?) from CR should help secure econ on that safe core.

In any case, here's the crux of it --

In hostile, wsk traded 10 safe core provs for overpop on motor functions, which was only possible because of mistakes made by CR and would have been worse in war, and also lost kitty as a functioning top prov.

I'll let someone playing speak to who's cowing and running the war :)

[Persain]

Everyone now jumping the bandwagon to bash CR and their setup but I think it was a move(to go all faery) that had its upsides, but it probably relied on CR getting bigger advantage prior to war, which they usually do but now in equal fight faery banks are coming short and core fight isn't going out of control for CR either... good war anyhow ��

I'm still not sure warseekers can pull this out long term.

1.CR effectively has 13 fearies that are going to be unbreakable to the core orcs in warseekers no? the intell i just took says they'll barely be able to conquest so that core is gonna add acres/econ pretty steadily.

2. CR can/should focus on re-chaining all orcs in the 400-500k nw into losing like 1/3-1/2 their leets that destroyes all but 4-5 orcs and removes the orc threat. from what i see 15k def on a 2k acre orc means all 8 chained faeries should be able to quad tap and take out two orcs on low incoming acres every wave. camp some army in hits with that and those orcs can just die. I mean 4-5 orcs on 380-400k off arent exactly going to conquest or even bouncewave down a core of 13 fearies all on >600k def who have decent econ. (espically given the nw range on those conquests)

3. I cant imagine ops are going to be that massive either, just shift in more WT on those fearies kd wide +CS is gonna negate NS enough that ops arent an issue. I imagine that magic is exactly flowing into a feary sage core that can sustain RM and has max science.

4.To top that off everyone seems to qq over the bank war...but the way i see it CR has 3.7 million nw V 3.2 million nw top bank. However, the next 5 fearies in cr are effectively 1.6 million nw 7k acres V 17k, 14k, 12k...when u pull out empty acres its 2.2 million, 2.1million 1.3 million nw. IF they drop that 1.3 million nw dwarf if turns into 6v3 and that seems advantageous to cr.