Mystic/Elf or pure thief or mage

[janat08]

Is there something that you do as Mystic/Elf to make it worth it or as pure thief. I don't know how much damage meteor shower does, but given the length of spell like that is only impacted by guilds with all else being equal (intensity) it doesn't make whole lot of sense to specialize in that as pure mage.

[Bo To]

You don't run elf/m when super thieves exist. Go with f/m otherwise you will suffer a lot. This age mystics just need the combo CS + wts. Also mystic's strongest spell is chastity not MS.

[The Moon]

Mystics strongest spell? Thats debatable and situational... thats relative.

Do you mean how can an Elf Mystic be a thief? If so; high Homes for extra population, high Thieves Dens and Watchtowers and simply a high amount of Thieves.

Or you dislike Elf Mystic as mage choice? ... the op question is just worded oddly.

[janat08]

I'm asking if combo of Elf/mystic is any good or thief equivalent. You can't do instant damage like faery, and you can't grow like one. I don't suppose that a kingdom made up of only pure mages and thieves will do as good as kigdom made up of t/ms against attacker based KD.

PS whats CS+wts?

[Kitzz]

CS = clear sight (spell)
Wts = watchtowers (buildings)

[NakMuay]

If you want to go mage, you need to go faery; rogue's will tear up an elf because elf's use specialists for defense, which die faster to night strike. As a elf mage (mystic I assume), you won't have high enough thief defense with JUST watchtower's and your relatively lower TPA.

If you want to go elf, rogue is a viable option; you're swinging enough raw TPA to protect yourself from other non-halfling thieves, and against a kingdom with multiple halfer rogues you could consider some WT's. Then, with the +50% WPA bonus from elf, you would be able to op the enemy attacker core more consistently.

I considered elf/rogue because it has really good defense to networth ratio (8 d specs = 8 nw, compared to halfer 4/8 elite = 10nw, faery 5/9 elite = 11nw) but went with dwarf/sage attacker instead.

[Wolzly]

Historically (maybe just imo) there's no such thing as a "pure thief" or "pure mage". The only way a non-attacking province is viable is if they have *TWO* of the three rock-paper-scissor elements that utopia offers (offense, tpa, wpa).

Rogues can fireball.
Mystics can nightstrike.

Your clarification of your question: "I'm asking if combo of Elf/mystic is any good or thief equivalent" still doesn't clarify anything... not really sure what your question is. Do you mean "rogue" when you say thief?

[StratOcastle]

We can try to answer by offering perspective and minimizing acronyms.

Please feel comfortable asking questions, janat08.

From my understanding, you're asking if elf mystic is as good as a rogue? In my opinion I think rogue is more effective, but none of this is absolute. Most all factors are environmental.

Some kingdoms don't have any rogues and do quite well. It depends on goals. An elf mystic offers the highest raw magical penetration level in the game. That's not a quality to be ignored. The question is, what can you do with the ability to break about anyone magically? This is where the mystic is obscured by the rogue.

Rogues don't require runes. Rogues can directly engage the source of any enemies strength. They can Nightstrike, propaganda, assassinate wizards and have greater arson. All builds should be considered cooperative, but a mystic generally requires the love of the attackers to see the fruits of their labor.

A rogue can render a mystic useless by assassinating his wizards. This is important because you're not using an army to massacre, thus leaving the massacring attacker with no incoming acres. It's by strength of option.

Now, as most players who might ask these type of questions I'm assuming you're not in an organized kingdom. To be perfectly honest I've seen very few happy elf mystics, but I have seen mature players use them with the understanding of the burden. The less organized the kingdom, the heavier that burden.

Rogue can operate more independently and doesn't suffer from rune shortages. Thieves are retrainable based in cash. Mystics must depend on their guilds. Drawback to rogues is overpopulation can render them useless, but you can use wizards to the last.

[Bo To]

Rogues don't require runes..... Rogue can operate more independently and doesn't suffer from rune shortages.

Actually they do and they need a lot of them. Pumping wpa is easier now so getting a lot rwpa(5-6+) is a must not just for protection. Rogues can become easy fb bots if they have the runes. Covering greed/explo is also nice. As a t/m you want honor and magic gives more honor than ops.

[RedPanda]

Mystics deals more with incoming, Rogues deals with current things that is there.
So in a way you need more rogues than mystics but it isn't a replacement for each other.

Rogue's will tear up an elf because elf's use specialists for defense

Pure Dspec is for the lazy Elf player that don't know better, Assuming you dont get chained right off the bat being your def is too damn low =P a proper built Elf can last 2-4 days worth of NS/props from 2-4 rogues (and the accompanying FB/Chasity/MS).

[StratOcastle]

Actually they do and they need a lot of them. Pumping wpa is easier now so getting a lot rwpa(5-6+) is a must not just for protection. Rogues can become easy fb bots if they have the runes. Covering greed/explo is also nice. As a t/m you want honor and magic gives more honor than ops.

I understand that; I'm saying raw they function without a component.