Age 71 Power Rankings

[tiggis]

If u ever get bored and you want to play with the value of the defensive capability take your numbers. Take the opa of your "best" race and re-run your calculations requiring that each race has a dpa army in of 75% of that number. 75% ensures that no one up in nw range can double them army in even if using all generals and warrior.

So in this case your top opa is Halfer Elite D at 194.7 opa. Require that each race runs 146 dpa army in and then determine your new #'s. Your actually listed #'s i think for dpa are army out so they wont drastically change on races that can play defensively but races like orc/undead are going to be viewed terribly. On the plus side since u determined the first #'s only you can do this for the second set of numbers ;)

This measurement has me wondering what total offense each can generate in a 24 hour period with a common set of variables.
For example Avian cannot muster the amount of offense an Orc can in 1 attack. But over a 24 hour period they might be able to hit 3 times compared to the Orcs 2. Their speed is an asset not reflected in pure military power in one attack, but would in effect increase the offensive power they can generate in a set period of time making the race of more value offensively than is reflected in pure offensive numbers.

Just thinking over here.

[Danjor]

I think that is why we are seeing 4-1 Avians over Orcs so far. Faery and Human numbers are also way down. The amount of ambitious individuals taking on UD War Hero is pretty surprising. I am genuinely curious to see how many 1 def leets will die on a TM with armies home. On 1k acres with full leets last age, I lost 500-800 per attack with armies in (only happened a few times) which was devastating, and that was with 3 def leets.

[Guardian Wolf]

Another reason why you might be seeing alot of avians, clerics at that, is for the sole purpose as a cleric it will lessen the troop loss from blood lust use....even and orc cleric will lose more troops than an avian....with the same scenario.

In case you missed it in the mechanics section of the changes bloodlust also gives 10% offense

[Danjor]

I saw the change to Bloodlust, but because of the increased losses, I'd rather cast Fanaticism for its 5% OME bonus with only -3% DME, rather than cut into the Cleric casualty bonus. The 11 strength free elites should be strong enough to take down anyone in range without the need for +10% OME, especially considering how free Avians are to build whatever buildings they want/need.

[JerseyJoe]

In my kd mp and gp is used mainly to try and bounce. Which means as an avian I can keep fanat on and mp on (getting +2 dme) and still have a chance to bounce with Gp.

I will use bloodlust too because that 10 ome isn't the only benefit. I also get more kills on the enemy. Extremely helpful when tryna chain a target. Makes it easier for everyone else to double triple tap.

The extra kills on me is negated by personality bonus and some hosps. So I still suffer less losses get more kills and effectively have an extra 15 ome thanks to spells.

That's the awesome part of of avian cleric.

[RattleHead]

Apologies for infringing, Ethan.

If u ever get bored and you want to play with the value of the defensive capability take your numbers. Take the opa of your "best" race and re-run your calculations requiring that each race has a dpa army in of 75% of that number. 75% ensures that no one up in nw range can double them army in even if using all generals and warrior.

So in this case your top opa is Halfer Elite D at 194.7 opa. Require that each race runs 146 dpa army in and then determine your new #'s. Your actually listed #'s i think for dpa are army out so they wont drastically change on races that can play defensively but races like orc/undead are going to be viewed terribly. On the plus side since u determined the first #'s only you can do this for the second set of numbers ;)

This measurement has me wondering what total offense each can generate in a 24 hour period with a common set of variables.
For example Avian cannot muster the amount of offense an Orc can in 1 attack. But over a 24 hour period they might be able to hit 3 times compared to the Orcs 2. Their speed is an asset not reflected in pure military power in one attack, but would in effect increase the offensive power they can generate in a set period of time making the race of more value offensively than is reflected in pure offensive numbers.

Just thinking over here.

So I think I have an idea how these rankings work, and I was intrigued by these points. I have some different assumptions, and only one combo for each race for Attacking purposes at the moment...

No Personality
Lord Honor
100% Wages
50% Science
0 Homes
8 Horse/Acre (Not Avians)
4 peasants/acre
2:1 Off unit:Def unit, 2 rTPA, 2 rWPA

Race___________________PPA____Raw pOPA___Raw pDPA___Practical MPA___pMP/NWPA___%Max__Suicide OPA__Turtle DPA__NWPA___BE___War Attack Time__%Gains__1x Gains over 84h
Dwarf_________________27.17_____123.2_______51.1_________174.3_______0.6040_______73%____174.3______ 153.3______288.6___87%______12____________1____________7
Elf____________________27.17_____123.2_______51.1_________174.3_______0.6468______78%_______________ _140.5______269.5__70%_______12____________1___________7
Faery__________________25.81______92.2_______59.4_________151.6_______0.6916______84%_____121.9_____ ___________219.2___70%______12____________1____________7
Avian__________________27.17_____145.6_______38.3_________183.9_______0.7079______86%_______________ _89.5______259.8___70%______8.4___________0.9___________9
Human_________________27.17_____161.6_______38.3________199.9________0.7248______88%_______________1 02.2______275.8__70%______12_____________1___________7
Halfling________________31.24_____144.9_______61.9_________206.8_______0.7780______94%_____191.5____ ____________265.8___66%______12____________1____________7
Orc___________________27.17_____187.1________38.3________225.4________0.7987______97%_______________ _63.9______282.2__70%______12____________1.25________8.75
Undead (50% Converted)_26.50_____168.9_______36.9_________205.8_______0.8258______100%_______________43.1______2 49.2___68%______12_____________1___________7


I tried to apply Persains idea for DPA... but any one using 6-pt specs for defence ends up 100% spec... So what I did was try to get close (90%) to that raw OPA above, with mDPA on Dwarf, Elf, Faery, and Halfling

No Personality
Lord Honor
100% Wages
50% Science
25% Forts
mDPA = 0.9 * MaxOPA
12 rTWPA

Race______________PPA___NWPA___BE____mDPA_|_Wdmg___WPA___WPA*DMG___ExtraMana___Spells/24h___Spells*DMG_|_Tdmg___TPA___TPA*DMG___ExtraStealth___Ops/24h___Ops*DMG
Dwarf25%Homes___29.89__269.5__83.8____168.3__|__1______1_________1__________0__________24___________24_____|_____1_____1________1____________0___________24_________24
Elf35%Homes_____30.97___243.8__71.9____168.3__|__1.25____1.35___1.6875_______0__________24__________40.5____|_____1______1_______1_____________0__________24_________24
Faery25%Homes___28.53__265.6___72.8___168.2__|__1.4______1______1.4_________1__________32__________44.8____|____1.4_____1_______1.4____________0__________24________33.6
Halfling25%Homes_33.96__259.9___79.9___168.6__|___1______1_______1__________0__________24___________24_____|_____1_____1.5______1.5___________1___________32_________48

The BE I guess would indicate better Rogue potential? I included the other stuff ( [+%Success] * [+%Dmg] * [#/24h] ) as a rough gauge of effectiveness as well. Are any of my assumptions just straight-up wrong, or you guys have ideas for better metrics?

[tiggis]

Apologies for infringing, Ethan.






So I think I have an idea how these rankings work, and I was intrigued by these points. I have some different assumptions, and only one combo for each race for Attacking purposes at the moment...

No Personality
Lord Honor
100% Wages
50% Science
0 Homes
8 Horse/Acre (Not Avians)
4 peasants/acre
2:1 Off unit:Def unit, 2 rTPA, 2 rWPA

Race___________________PPA____Raw pOPA___Raw pDPA___Practical MPA___pMP/NWPA___%Max__Suicide OPA__Turtle DPA__NWPA___BE___War Attack Time__%Gains__1x Gains over 84h
Dwarf_________________27.17_____123.2_______51.1_________174.3_______0.6040_______73%____174.3______ 153.3______288.6___87%______12____________1____________7
Elf____________________27.17_____123.2_______51.1_________174.3_______0.6468______78%_______________ _140.5______269.5__70%_______12____________1___________7
Faery__________________25.81______92.2_______59.4_________151.6_______0.6916______84%_____121.9_____ ___________219.2___70%______12____________1____________7
Avian__________________27.17_____145.6_______38.3_________183.9_______0.7079______86%_______________ _89.5______259.8___70%______8.4___________0.9___________9
Human_________________27.17_____161.6_______38.3________199.9________0.7248______88%_______________1 02.2______275.8__70%______12_____________1___________7
Halfling________________31.24_____144.9_______61.9_________206.8_______0.7780______94%_____191.5____ ____________265.8___66%______12____________1____________7
Orc___________________27.17_____187.1________38.3________225.4________0.7987______97%_______________ _63.9______282.2__70%______12____________1.25________8.75
Undead (50% Converted)_26.50_____168.9_______36.9_________205.8_______0.8258______100%_______________43.1______2 49.2___68%______12_____________1___________7


I tried to apply Persains idea for DPA... but any one using 6-pt specs for defence ends up 100% spec... So what I did was try to get close (90%) to that raw OPA above, with mDPA on Dwarf, Elf, Faery, and Halfling

No Personality
Lord Honor
100% Wages
50% Science
25% Forts
mDPA = 0.9 * MaxOPA
12 rTWPA

Race______________PPA___NWPA___BE____mDPA_|_Wdmg___WPA___WPA*DMG___ExtraMana___Spells/24h___Spells*DMG_|_Tdmg___TPA___TPA*DMG___ExtraStealth___Ops/24h___Ops*DMG
Dwarf25%Homes___29.89__269.5__83.8____168.3__|__1______1_________1__________0__________24___________24_____|_____1_____1________1____________0___________24_________24
Elf35%Homes_____30.97___243.8__71.9____168.3__|__1.25____1.35___1.6875_______0__________24__________40.5____|_____1______1_______1_____________0__________24_________24
Faery25%Homes___28.53__265.6___72.8___168.2__|__1.4______1______1.4_________1__________32__________44.8____|____1.4_____1_______1.4____________0__________24________33.6
Halfling25%Homes_33.96__259.9___79.9___168.6__|___1______1_______1__________0__________24___________24_____|_____1_____1.5______1.5___________1___________32_________48

The BE I guess would indicate better Rogue potential? I included the other stuff ( [+%Success] * [+%Dmg] * [#/24h] ) as a rough gauge of effectiveness as well. Are any of my assumptions just straight-up wrong, or you guys have ideas for better metrics?

Interesting stuff man.