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    Age 71 Power Rankings

    As I do each age, here are some estimates for "raw" attacking power for the prelim changes. I'll post the redo for the final further down if anything changes. Remember this is just measuring the military for an attacker - there should be other factors going into your choice for race.

    A few assumptions have changed - I've pushed the off:def ratio up to 70:30, greater than 2:1. (Had been using 65:35) If it goes any higher you'd be starting in triple tap range of yourself. I'm assuming 90% of max sci on current war, BE and housing, 60% max for the T/M sciences. Given that there is a curve to sci again this probably won't be too hard to achieve. Target pes/a is down to 5, but target mWPA and mTPA is up to 4 apiece. (But good sci means those are somewhere in the 2 raw range depending on race.) All in all, I'm trying to make it more like the age I played orc and less like my strange faery attackers. (Though faery attacker this age is rockin' it... just like I predicted.) Fanat, GP, and the new BL are accounted for, assumed always up (fanat can sometimes play games... and you might run out of runes, but that's your own fault).

    So, without any (further) ado, the Age 71 Prelim Power Rankings:

    Rankings_________OPA______DPA____NW/A____MPNW_____%Max
    Elf Elite off_______159.97____68.56___267.43____0.855____81.26%
    No Race_________116.44____49.9____190.64____0.873____82.97%
    Dwarf Elite off ____162.29____69.55___254.67____0.91_____86.57%
    Faery no Elites____123.5_____52.93___189.87____0.929____88.36%
    Elf______________131.06____56.17___201.02____0.931____88.57%
    Dwarf no Elites____138.68____59.44___207.75____0.954____90.69%
    Faery Elite def ____143.41____61.46___213.29____0.96_____91.34%
    Undead 50/50_____151.79____65.05___222.25____0.976____92.78%
    Halfling Elite def __183.51____78.65___262.15____1________95.10%
    Human__________169.66____72.71___242.01____1.001____95.23%
    Halfling _________165_______70.71___230.35____1.023____97.31%
    Avian ___________176.1_____75.47___244.84____1.028____97.71%
    UD Pure Elite _____168.48____72.21___232.31____1.036____98.53%
    Orc _____________183.75____78.75___249.63____1.052___100.00%


    P.S. - loving the UD hype. Make it easy for me ya?
    Last edited by Ethan; 06-03-2017 at 01:28.
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    nice :) Thank you

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    Poor elites elf, only thing worse than not playing a race at all apparently... brutal.

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    I think for elf you have to run it as a full spec army. I think its numbers would jump alot.

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    Thank you, Ethan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verminator View Post
    Poor elites elf, only thing worse than not playing a race at all apparently... brutal.
    you'd just have to require that all the races run 6 raw wpa...the extra 2 pop/acre elf will get makes it viable. That or go more like 90 dpa army out. either way as always nice to see, thanks ethan :D

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    Elf elite combined with the +50% wages basically kills it as an attacker. I am sad.
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    If you run a full spec army with elf, that would lower thier relative net and out class in a lower net range with a fully pumped province.
    Sure your off wont break the UB's but you would have a higher def per net than the heavy hitter who inflate thier net with elites for the sake of offense per acre.

    Elves should be run as an anti-attacker i think instead of bunker buster of faeries.
    That with thier inherant abilities in magic combines with a fanatic's NM, they can break the faery's with magic for your attackers, and reign in attackers that sacrifice def per net for offense per acre.

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    I would like to warn anyone considering an all spec elf army that it would simply lead to you being destroyed by ms and ns. Both affects specs at a much higher rate than elites. Rogues would love you for going all spec. They prop away all the specs they'd need to slay. You might think wts will help, but without cs they'll only do so much, even less once they're burned down.
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    Well I was going to try an all elite elf cleric because that's what I do.

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    Update! Update!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andurilas View Post
    Update! Update!
    Been really slow to get to this, but did swing back around, here's the new numbers as best I can see them. (Tried to tighten the width down just a bit for the mobile viewers, not sure it is enough though.)

    Rankings______OPA_____DPA___NW/A___MPNW_____%Max
    Dwarf Elite O___151.8____65_____262______0.828____78.73%
    Elf Elite O______160______68.6___267.4____0.855____81.30%
    No Race_______116.4____49.9___190.6____0.873____83.01%
    Faery no Elite___116.8____50.1___183.5____0.91_____86.54%
    Elf____________131.1____56.2___201______0.931____88.61%
    Human________169.7____72.7___257.4____0.942____89.58%
    Faery Elite D____135.6____58.1___203.3____0.953____90.68%
    Undead 50/50___151.8____65.1___226.6____0.957____91.02%
    Dwarf no Elite___139.4____59.7___207.8____0.958____91.16%
    UD Pure Elite O__168.5____72.2___240.1____1.002____95.37%
    Avian__________176.1____75.5___249.7____1.008____95.86%
    Orc___________183.8____78.8___254______1.033____98.31%
    Halfling________175.1____75_____239.2____1.046____99.49%
    Halfer Elite D____194.7____83.5___264.7____1.051___100.00%


    Note the large jump for the halfer - the double buff of a lowered elite NW and 15% pop is nearly making a monster. The BE penalty is going to be a bit understated with my calcs cause it is only applying to the 20% TGs, and their econ isn't great. Most importantly though, they've got no gains bonus like Orc or Avian, so eeking out a bit of extra raw power is a fair trade for that: just like Faery this age however, don't mistake them for a forced hybrid or T/M roll... they are perfectly good core attackers too.

    Dwarf elites are really sticking up the place due to the huge NW hit they take (Dwarf Elite D is about 87% so they aren't even as good for that - I don't have enough rows for all of them though). I have never had a good sense how to value the ability to tank however, and these numbers don't measure the defensive capability of the elites at all. Same problem to a lesser degree for Elf elites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenger View Post
    Elf elite combined with the +50% wages basically kills it as an attacker. I am sad.
    Agree, 100% attacker is dead for elfs. But support attacker with some elits is still great. Especially since their elits wont die so Much.

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    Impressive work, Ethan. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan View Post
    Dwarf elites are really sticking up the place due to the huge NW hit they take (Dwarf Elite D is about 87% so they aren't even as good for that - I don't have enough rows for all of them though). I have never had a good sense how to value the ability to tank however, and these numbers don't measure the defensive capability of the elites at all. Same problem to a lesser degree for Elf elites.
    If u ever get bored and you want to play with the value of the defensive capability take your numbers. Take the opa of your "best" race and re-run your calculations requiring that each race has a dpa army in of 75% of that number. 75% ensures that no one up in nw range can double them army in even if using all generals and warrior.

    So in this case your top opa is Halfer Elite D at 194.7 opa. Require that each race runs 146 dpa army in and then determine your new #'s. Your actually listed #'s i think for dpa are army out so they wont drastically change on races that can play defensively but races like orc/undead are going to be viewed terribly. On the plus side since u determined the first #'s only you can do this for the second set of numbers ;)
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