men - soldiers

[The Moon of Earth]

In the Internal Affairs page it reads for Mills description of effect as men where it should say soldiers. Not all moonlings are male and im sure other provinces are the same ...

[Ovenmitt]

Did you just assume their gender?

The women are peasants, the men go to war. Just how it is.

[The Moon of Earth]

Women war also ... thats how it is in my imagination ... it just seems an annoyance to me - here is Australia women can be accepted as members of the army ... i thought it so with all of Western Civilisation ... they are the minority but they still exist ... apart from anything else the troops we all send to explore are soldiers ... not men...

[jmiedema]

Because when I log into my fantasy escape from this world's reality, the changes I want to see the most are us being as politically correct as this world is turning out to be..

It could be more correct to list it as soldiers rather than men. Would be more clear as to what resource is being used (Soldiers or peasants) but I don't think it should be done just for political correctness.

[The Moon of Earth]

Not for political correctness ... just correctness ... players send soldiers to explore - not men...

[Pillz]

Not for political correctness ... just correctness ... players send soldiers to explore - not men...

While I understand that Utopia is a fantasy MMORPG, the words 'soldiers' and 'men' are nearly synonymous. It is a very recent development that women have been able to do any soldiering. Women in the military, and combat roles in particular, was very uncommon.

[The Moon of Earth]

Well its the Utopian 70's ... they should catch up...

[Korp]

While I understand that Utopia is a fantasy MMORPG, the words 'soldiers' and 'men' are nearly synonymous. It is a very recent development that women have been able to do any soldiering. Women in the military, and combat roles in particular, was very uncommon.

Please as early as 600 if not earlier you can find proof of female warriors.

[Goodwitch]

It really doesn't matter what who thinks of what as far as women in the military. It's not men vs women, it's men vs soldiers.

Fixing it to soldiers will make clear as to which resources are needed and used.

[natebane]

A patriarchal society fits the definition of utopia, right? men and soldiers are synonymous enough

[Goodwitch]

A patriarchal society fits the definition of utopia, right? men and soldiers are synonymous enough

if you insist on drawing references from real like I think you will find that if you asked a soldiers if all men were soldiers he may have a strong opinion on such.

otherwise for a new player soldier makes things much more clear.

[natebane]

if you insist on drawing references from real like I think you will find that if you asked a soldiers if all men were soldiers he may have a strong opinion on such.

otherwise for a new player soldier makes things much more clear.

Conversely, you could ask the soldier if all soldiers are men. Also if it's no big deal we could change the military page to say 'Number of Men' if its just for new player clarity.

[Pillz]

Please as early as 600 if not earlier you can find proof of female warriors.

In irrelevantly small numbers. And well before 600AD, actually, you do find evidence of female warriors.

But warriors are not soldiers, anyways.

[Goodwitch]

Conversely, you could ask the soldier if all soldiers are men. Also if it's no big deal we could change the military page to say 'Number of Men' if its just for new player clarity.

if that would make it clearer, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it doesn't.

[natebane]

Explore page:
Exploration Costs (Soldiers)
Exploration Costs (Gold)


Internal affairs page:
Lower building costs by 0.0% (3.59%)
Reduce exploration costs in gold by 0.0% (2.69%)
Reduce exploration costs in men by 0.0% (1.79%)


Really not seeing the ambiguity here if a new player has made it to these pages. The deduction needed is non-existent, you could literally change men to anything and nothing would be affected.