Age 72 Suggestions

[smercjd]

Age 72 Suggestions

Races

Human
Bonuses
+25% Income
Immune to Income Penalties
War Horses +2 Offense (+4/0)
Stables also decrease attack time (1/2 rate of barracks)

Penalties
-15% Spell Success
+50% Rune Costs
+25% Duration and Effects of Greed

Spell book: Revelation, Tree of Gold
Elite: 10/7, 1250gc, 11NW


Orc
Bonuses
+15% Battle Gains
Free draft
+33% Enemy casualties when attacking (Doubled to +66% against Elves)

Penalties
-25% Science Effectiveness

Spell book: Fanaticism, Blood Lust
Elite: 14/4, 1000gc, 11.5NW


Undead
Bonuses
-50% Offensive losses on attacks you make
Spreads and is Immune to The Plague
No Food Required
Successful land attacks convert Offensive Specialists into Elites
Defensive losses automatically convert to soldiers(Permanent Animate Dead)
+3 Offensive Specialist strength

Penalties
No Elite Training
-15% Thievery Effectiveness (TPA)
+50% Thief Losses

Spell book: Town Watch
Elite: 12/6, 11.5NW


Avian
Bonuses
-33% Attack travel time
+100% Birth Rate
Immune to Pitfalls
Pegasus (Horses) +2 Defense against ambushes (+2/+2)

Penalties
-15% Building Efficiency

Spell book: Greater Protection, Town Watch, Clear Sight
Elite: 9/8, 900gc, 10.5NW

Dwarf
Bonuses
+33% Building Efficiency
Free Building Construction and Can Use Credits to Raze Buildings
-50% Building Construction Time
+25% Chance to Automatically Negate spells cast by Elves

Penalties
Can't use Accelerated Construction
+100% Food consumption
+15% Attack Time

Spell book: Mystic Aura, Reflect Magic
Elite: 9/9, 1200gc, 13NW


Halfling
Bonuses
+10% Population
+50% Thievery Operation Success (TPA)
-50% Thief cost
+1 Stealth per tick
raw TPA = +% Offensive Military Efficiency
-50% Wages

Penalties
Ponies - 1 Offense (+1/0)

Spell book: Invisibility, Quick Feet
Elite: 7/9, 600gc, 8NW


Faery
Bonuses
+50% Combat Instant Spell Damage
+50% Spell Durations
+1 mana per tick (not just in war)
raw WPA = +% Offensive Military Efficiency

Penalties
-5% Population

Spell book: All Racial Spells
Elite:5/11, 1150gc, 11NW
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Elf
Bonuses
+3 Defensive Specialist strength
+35% Spell Success (WPA) [Doubled to +70% against Orcs)
+50% Rune Generation
-35% Military Casualties [Doubled to +70% against Dwarves)
Immune to Greed

Penalties
+75% Military Wages

Spell book: Pitfalls, Mage's Fury, Fool's Gold
Elite: 9/7, 1000gc, 10NW



Personalities

The Cleric
Hospitals are 100% more effective
+15% Spell Success (WPA)
Immune to Nightmares
Access to Animate Dead, Chastity, Greater Protection
Starts with +800 soldiers and +200 wizards


The Heretic
Towers are 100% more effective
Successful offensive spells cast get 50% of mana refunded
Successful sabotage operations get 50% of stealth refunded
+100% Sabotage damage against Clerics
Access to Nightmares and Blizzard
Starts with +200 Wizards and +200 thieves


The Mystic
Guilds are 100% more effective
+1 Mana Recovery per tick
+50% Magic Science Effectiveness
Access to Meteor Showers
Starts with +400 Wizards


The Rogue
Thieves Dens are 100% more effective
+1 Stealth recovery per tick
Access to all thievery operations, including 3 unique to rogues: Greater Arson, Assassinate Wizards and Propaganda
+50% Thievery Science Effectiveness
Access to Gluttony
Starts with +400 thieves


The Sage
Laboratories are 100% more effective
Protect 50% of scientists on abduct attack
Scientists are 25% more effective
Access to Amnesia
Amnesia does double dmg against Tacticians
Starts with 100% extra scientists


The Tactician
Barracks are 100% more effective
+15% Thievery Operation Success (TPA)
Automatic Espionage Success against Sages
Accurate Espionage
Starts with +800 specialist credits, +200 Thieves


The Warrior
Training Grounds are 100% more effective
Enhanced Conquest range
-50% Military Losses from Conquests (doubled to -100% against War Heroes)
+ 1 General
Access to War Spoils
Starts with +800 soldiers and +800 specialist credits


The War Hero
Armouries are 100% more effective
+150% Honor Effects
Converts some Specialists into Elites on successful land attacks
Immune to Dragon effects
+10% Battle Gains (doubled to +20% against Warriors)
Access to Fanaticism
Starts with 800 elites



Mechanics
Scientist Recruit rank increased from 3 hours to 4 hours
Scientist Spawn rate lowered slightly
Food Science will now be Production Science, and it will increase both Food and Rune production
Production Science maximum will be 150%, up from 120%
Revelation will increase scientist spawn rate by 50%, up from 30%
Blood Lust will provide +10% Offensive Military Efficiency & +15% Higher Military Losses for the caster & +10% Military Losses for the enemy
The Raze attack's damage while in war has been increased
The attack gains formula adjusted slightly more to discourage bottom-feeding and top-feeding

[Relswick8619]

Was wanting to play a halfling heretic but don't think I would with these changes. Some of the racial bonus seem op, and perhaps too drastic a change from this age. I think age by age race/pers changes should be steadily progressive in changes not drastic.

[Bo To]

Was wanting to play a halfling heretic but don't think I would with these changes. Some of the racial bonus seem op, and perhaps too drastic a change from this age. I think age by age race/pers changes should be steadily progressive in changes not drastic.

Drastic changes are bad if done every age. If we do some drastic change and try to balance it the next ages it's fine. If we don't do drastic changes the game gets stagnant.

@OP IMO rogue doesn't need more than +50% TDs because it's getting too strong. Also I don't think mystic needs less spells. Actually moving ga/prop from rogue to heretic would be better.

And one final question - for mana/stealth return how do you round it?

[smercjd]

Drastic changes are bad if done every age. If we do some drastic change and try to balance it the next ages it's fine. If we don't do drastic changes the game gets stagnant.

@OP IMO rogue doesn't need more than +50% TDs because it's getting too strong. Also I don't think mystic needs less spells. Actually moving ga/prop from rogue to heretic would be better.

And one final question - for mana/stealth return how do you round it?

Good question! I would say rounded up unless Utopia tends to round everything down.

As for more than +50% TDs...even with all the new boosts to other personalities?

As for mystic...yeah, it's just been a while and I didn't remember all the spells and got lazy towards the end...I agree that more spells should be good. Actually...I'm thinking something like

Heretic gets Blizzards and Nados and Mystics get MS/Nightmares...OR Mystics get "All Personality Spells + MS" or something like that

I also thought about giving Heretic one of the 3 rogue unique ops...or improved versions of others

[Shockwave]

I didn't see anything horribly wrong with these changes as I skimmed, except off/def values. I feel like we need to get rid of these ridiculously high numbers and take it back to lower values that had off and def proportionally closer. As it stands right now, to be a t/m with decent tpa/wpa, you have to be approx 50% bigger than an attacker to be unbreakable.

I would have to calc out if that would still be the case here, as I saw you raised values for def on the t/m races, but we're kind of at a point where we have big numbers just to see big numbers on the throne page.

[smercjd]

I didn't see anything horribly wrong with these changes as I skimmed, except off/def values. I feel like we need to get rid of these ridiculously high numbers and take it back to lower values that had off and def proportionally closer. As it stands right now, to be a t/m with decent tpa/wpa, you have to be approx 50% bigger than an attacker to be unbreakable.

I would have to calc out if that would still be the case here, as I saw you raised values for def on the t/m races, but we're kind of at a point where we have big numbers just to see big numbers on the throne page.

I agree, and briefly thought about lowering the numbers, but decided it was best to just leave the numbers and try to balance them a little

Though I'd like them potentially lower still...what about
(Bring Specialists back to 4/0 and 0/4, horses to +1/0, and mercs/prisoners to +3)
Human: 3/5 [horses +2/0]
Orc: 7/2
Undead: 6/3 [Offense Specs +5/0]
Avian: 5/3 [horses "pegasus" +1/+1 -- for ambush]
Dwarf: 4/4, specs
Halfling: 3/4 [horses "pony" +.5/0]
Faery: 1/6
Elf: 4/3 [Defense Specs +0/5]

[smercjd]

Another note...probably already noticed, but one major point is that I'd like if there were more balance between Attackers/TMs/Hybrids.

As in...notice Avian elites having 9/8 elites. Still majoring as an attacker, they would survive immediate chaining effects (same with many others as overall defense values were increased).

For balance I tried to give the "super" attackers an elite value of 18 (total), the moderate attackers an elite value of 17, and TMs 16 as TMs also don't have such terribly debilitating penalties.

EDIT: Furthermore, I added some race/personality specific hostilities. (Elf vs Orc, Elf vs Dwarf: both bonuses and penalties)(Each personality would have another rival personality)

[Bo To]

Good question! I would say rounded up unless Utopia tends to round everything down.

As for more than +50% TDs...even with all the new boosts to other personalities?

As for mystic...yeah, it's just been a while and I didn't remember all the spells and got lazy towards the end...I agree that more spells should be good. Actually...I'm thinking something like

Heretic gets Blizzards and Nados and Mystics get MS/Nightmares...OR Mystics get "All Personality Spells + MS" or something like that

I also thought about giving Heretic one of the 3 rogue unique ops...or improved versions of others

Rogue can be extremely strong so there must be some kind of a drawback. Depending on BE and needing high % tds is good enough. Otherwise even attackers(and I mean orcs and unds) can run rogue with 3 tpa+15% tds and prop other attackers.

I don't think swapping chastity for NM is a good idea mainly because mystics have high wpa which is required for NM runs(this is the heretic's drawback btw). Having all persos spells or all offensive spells is another thing(it's a huge buff and I'm not against it but it will make heretic less desirable - kinda like WH for attackers).

[smercjd]

Rogue can be extremely strong so there must be some kind of a drawback. Depending on BE and needing high % tds is good enough. Otherwise even attacks(and I mean orcs and unds) can run rogue with 3 tpa+15% tds and prop other attackers.

I don't think swapping chastity for NM is a good idea mainly because mystics have high wpa which is required for NM runs(this is the heretic's drawback btw). Having all persos spells or all offensive spells is another thing(it's a huge buff and I'm not against it but it will make heretic less desirable - kinda like WH for attackers).

Yeah that's good IMO. If an Undead or Orc run rogue, they can get away with some ops like that. I think this is encouraged...but remember, they will also lose whatever personality buff they COULD have had if they had gone a more attacking type. Also, Orc having -25% sci effect and Undead having lower TPA will still be worse than actual TMs.

Yeah the spells need to be looked at for these suggestions...I didn't want to do all spells because like you say, a little on the too strong side of things and makes heretic less desirable...I just didn't want to duplicate spells given to personalities/races if avoidable. I actually think Mystic Vortex and Tornados (if not other spells) should also be separated into races/personalities. There are too many spells accessible to everyone, and though there definitely should be some, I think there could be a few more that are race/pers specific and that would make it easier to include mystics/heretics

I would say Mystic Vortex should be Elf only (therefore also Faeries), and Tornadoes, Blizzards (Elemental Spells) could be given to heretic and MS, NM to mystic...something along those lines