As Trump basically admitted that he did it "over the Russia thing" thing it's obstruction of justice pure and simple, Trump basically admitted that he did it with criminal intent. If the Republitards still refuse to appoint a truly independent investigator on the matter then this is worse than Watergate.Originally Posted by Palem
Just look at Trump now trying to appoint a partisan political hack as FBI Director.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I find it extremely scary the fact the media is out there making stuff up. It's incredible and going to end up being the little boy who cried wolf. Just this week alone they have pushed completely far fetched stories with zero evidence. Personally I stopped listening all together to any media outlet.
Here is my problem. Yes there are media outlets that skew coverage to fit their agenda. To hear republicans cry about it astounds me... Fox news, Rush Limbaugh etc etc etc have been doing the same for decades. The liberal media is no more at fault than conservative media.
The real issue is when the president lies to us. Bald faced lies. This 'fake news media' crap pales in comparison to the utter bull**** being spewed by Trump and his administration.
Besides, there are still reputable sources for less biased coverage if you look around.
I am not talking about Fox VS MSNBC, but I am talking about what used to be considered unbiased news. Which now push completely far fetched stories with zero evidence and they later retract. Just saying media has went to far and now I would say 40 to 50% of the population will no longer believe anything they will say ever again. That is a scary thought as a whole but the media has went off the deep. My brother has a good tract record when it comes to protecting presidential winners. He said Trump would win hands down and is predicting Trump winning by a larger margin next time. This thing between the media and Trump has gotten personal. Media is out for blood and it's so obvious that anyone can see it. But in doing so they have undermined the credibility of journalism and Media across the USA.
Last edited by Coldhearted; 27-05-2017 at 05:57.
What stories have their pushed with zero evidence?
Edit: also, welcome back handofthrawn. Your alternative name is more fitting imo
Last edited by Palem; 17-05-2017 at 21:30.
Handofthrawn is my brother, meh I don't follow politics like he does though. I just see all these crazy things flung out there. Then they retract them a day later. Just to throw more stuff out there to retract them.
What's been retracted?
So Trump keeps saying. But the reality is that the general public - and likely Trump himself - doesn't know what the FBI has or doesn't have.
And, more importantly, it is REALLY not the place of the *subjects* of an investigation to say to law enforcement, "Nothing to see here, move along."
If Comey were on a wild goose chase or fishing trip with no basis, because of a political axe to grind, then that would be something for the Deputy AG to take issue with. And *that* is a notable absence in the Deputy AG's memorandum - there's no contention, by the senior Justice Department official overseeing the matter - that there's something improper in the pursuit of the investigation. (Quite the contrary, the Deputy AG has now appointed independent counsel. Of course, this isn't a finding of guilt, but it's certainly an admission that "This is a matter worth investigating.")
The truth is that I don't think we can put it *quite* that strongly. There are possible innocent characterizations for Trump's language. In the interview, he talked about what he was thinking about, but not so much 'why'. I could easily make the argument that he was acknowledging that there just wasn't a good time to do it, because of the Russia investigation, but that he rationalized making the call *despite* the Russia investigation because there was nothing to that anyways...
...not that I believe that for a second, but it's perfectly consistent with Trump's language. My point is just that I don't think we have a smoking gun, and there's a lot more work to be done before we can say that he's done. Besides, if he's actually trying to bury the investigation, I'd MUCH rather get him on the crap he's trying to hide, rather than merely the fact of trying to hide it.
Let's see, there's the White House's position that the Comey firing was a bottom-up process that started with the Deputy AG...the White House's position that Trump didn't reveal any classified information...the list is long.
Oh, we're talking about media retractions? Well, there's the retraction of the claim that Spicer was hiding "in" the bushes, when in fact he was hiding "among" the bushes...
As is the natural laws of the land
White House: "Donald Trump absolutely did not do that!"
Trump: "I totally did that."
White House: "This doesn't contradict our previous statement. The media needs to stop this witch hunt!"
I entirely agree with your post, but I think we're getting to a point where 'everyone has a bias' has turned into a perception that facts, too, have a bias - and, more particularly, a right-wing belief that notions of 'facts' and 'evidence' are just left-wing constructs. If I hold this pen out in front of me, and release it, it will fall. This is a fact. This isn't a projection of political values, a function of ideological bias, etc.
Facts aren't democratic, and you can't effectively run a country on the basis of a belief that they are. When mainstream politicians denigrate the very concept of professional expertise and scientific study as being politically driven...that's a pretty massive problem. But if people believe that facts are subjective, then 'lies', too, become pretty subjective.
As the saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts.
Again, what has been retracted? I can think of a couple very minor stories that have been retracted.
Well lets see here... “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
What is that if not a smoking gun?
And lets be clear, not even the White House is trying to denounce that media report of the summary as false, which means that either that is accurate or what's in the summary is even worse...
And personally I think getting Agent Orange on "just" obstruction is a start, it can be done quickly and relatively painlessly. We can the spend the next several years hashing out exactly what the Orange-Tufted Swamp Ogre was trying to hide, but if we wait than it's possible that by the time it's all done he's already sold out everything to Russia and ran off to the Cayman Islands with the proceeds.
Exactly what on the media reporting on ****face von Clownstick is farfetched and untrue? Because lets be clear, a whole lot of the media reports seem very farfetched, but after a little while they turn out to be basically true, which of course is important.
For example the reporting that the Short-Fingered Vulgarian had leaked sensitive classified intelligence to Russia during a private meeting with the Russian foreign minister no less seemed really far-fetched. I mean not even the Angry Pumpkin is that stupid right?... aaaaaand then the White House says, "well actually the President can unclassify intelligence, so he didn't leak any classified intelligence to the Russians." *facepalm*
Last edited by Elldallan; 28-05-2017 at 08:11.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Stories such as the entire video of Trump and hookers giving him a golden shower. Which proved to be 100% false. Trump having ties to the Russians even though their is zero proof of it. See in the old days Media outlets actually had to have proof before reporting something. Let's go into classified stuff the media reports that story and completely gets it 100% wrong. Their source wasn't even in the room. Lol. The Media knows the President can release any thing he wants also. They just stretched the truth to make Trump look bad. Report the other day of Trumps daughter doing pay to play by one reporter using a article from her own newspaper as proof, even though in the newspaper article it specifically says it wasn't her charity she raised the money for. I could go on but honestly I don't really care that much. Just I haven't met one person who actually dislikes Trumps in person or believes the Media anymore. So in my view that is scary. Anyways you guys on her are some rude ass holes and I will avoid this thread from now on.
This was not proven to be false. Most of the dossier has since been proven to be true. For what it's worth, he wasn't having the hookers per on him. They were peeing on the bed.
There is a ton of proof that Trump has ties with Russia.Trump having ties to the Russians even though their is zero proof of it.
News stories have to follow leads and dig a bit to develop a story. It's not like a newspaper just gets an anonymous tip and then they'll write up a front page headline story for the next day. Those stories get confirmed by multiple sources or those sources send them something to prove their claims.See in the old days Media outlets actually had to have proof before reporting something.
With the way Trump has proven that he will fire anyone who speaks out against him are you really that surprised that people want to remain anonymous? You're really jumping head first towards of line of thinking that leads to Nixon being innocent and the media making up stories from their anonymous sources.
They didn't get it 100% wrong and nothing was retracted.Let's go into classified stuff the media reports that story and completely gets it 100% wrong.
No. They didn't mislead anyone or stretch any truth. Every news outlet I watched or listened to made it perfectly clear that president can declassify anything he wants. The fact that he declassified some information wasn't the story. The story was that Trump gave up highly classified information to the Russians (shocking) not only in exchange for nothing, but it wasn't even our own intelligence. It makes the entire US intelligence community look unreliable when allies trust us with information and then the president feels free to share that intelligence with whoever because he just feels like doing it. That's how you stop getting trusted with international intelligence.Their source wasn't even in the room. Lol. The Media knows the President can release any thing he wants also. They just stretched the truth to make Trump look bad.
I'm not familiar with this. Source?Report the other day of Trumps daughter doing pay to play by one reporter using a article from her own newspaper as proof, even though in the newspaper article it specifically says it wasn't her charity she raised the money for.
Where to you live? Who do you talk to? I for one am very proud of the media for doing their jobs. Investigative reporting had been dead for years and I'm much happier to be getting more stories out of Washington and less stories about Ling Ling the panda and just how cute he is.Just I haven't met one person who actually dislikes Trumps in person or believes the Media anymore. So in my view that is scary. Anyways you guys on her are some rude ass holes and I will avoid this thread from now on.
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