Just so we all have our facts straight for #PayKuhan

[Darkz Azn]

Thanks Palem for this topic its was fun to re read drama from my last 1:1 war with ABS/Sanctuary. I see Dorje spend much time to accuse us for abuse some bug and its why he loss but he was victim on his knowledge on game mechanic. Main difference from how im play and rest leaders is i don't bother with complicated math. Here is proven stufs what work and what dont. Sanctuary did 2 big mistakes and its why they loss his war. 1. They had run 0 WTS and expect double fort stance+dragons will help them but its clear this wont work vs 9 halfings. And can you tell me what is going to do halfing in long hostile if he don't rob? All rest ops doing basically zero dmg in double fort.
2.Second and main mistake was for Sanctuary going long hostile and not rush for war. They had advantage in pure power=more attackers big gold advantage and better pumped result from specific age situation. AMA had gold for 2-3 dragons and Sanc for like 10+. In fast war gold wont be factor and halalling will be doing main black ops so its guarantee Sanc ability to train/feed/pay his army till all war. War will be very hard for us and Sanc was favorite to win it but still unpredictable.

What was result from Sanc bad strategy for prolong hostile? They loss all his gold and start have problem to pay his army. No money for dragons no feed. chain prov+gc starve and its out from war till we had ability for feed your chained. With masive T power here is not UB for us too. War was decided in hostile.

but it was a bug nevertheless because the following ages, fort -75% ops was implicated as it was stated in the previous age changes. jd also went hiking .... that didn't help ...

[Palem]

I wouldn't say it was a bug as much as the mechanic was poorly explained.

@korp - The thread serves 2 functions. To stop the #PayKuhan talk in the other war thread and to clear up some misinformation that was starting to spread. Honestly as "trolly" as the thread is I think it helps proteus as much as it hurts

@flogger

[Korp]

Shows that Proteus isn't a man enough and that ASF knew Proteus would lose the bet hence didn't respond to Kuhan!

[protector]

Shows that Proteus isn't a man enough and that ASF knew Proteus would lose the bet hence didn't respond to Kuhan!

Is he even a man? Do we know? Anyone ever met him?

@Palem: is it possible you either moderate everything entirely or just none at all? Removing a few OT posts and leaving the rest is kinda double standards

Anyway, I'll respond to ProPro's last post here then:

If it's so easy and you are so good in strategy, you should have done better. You like to make these comments at me but historically I have done so much better and have never lost to you. I like how you say "I wasn't leading" but you should really rephrase that to say "flogger wasn't leading." Also please remind ever when you were the monarch of a kingdom that crowned? In the past you used to play with flogger but he was the main one. I remember you used to be the main leader of Insolence/Inzzolence but those kingdoms never crowned or came close to it.

I had my reasons for bailing on mod/astron leaving them with little knowledge about homespumping on an upcoming fight with Emeriti.
You're free to ask flogger how unimportant I was in BB. I did my thing, he did his. The collective made it strong. You aren't going to believe me, but since you look up to flogger so much, ask him, he'll verify it.
BB won I think age 61? Flogger didn't play. I also beat Emeriti in a BB off age without flogger.
And Inso was about as much fail as your funshow was :-p. I never solo lead Inso though (we would've done better if there wasn't some nub from Belgium sabotaging my hard work). That said, I never pretended Inso to be some superKD, so why you mention this I dont know.

As for Kuhan he was supposed to send his money to be held in escrow if he wanted to bet with me as I told him initially and he never did. You guys can keep saying that all you want but it is just a dull sword. If that's the only thing you can say considering you've never beaten me yet I win against your kds consistently then ok that's all you got.

You can either make a bet and keep your word, or you don't. Only one of them is a man, the other is a ****ing pussy.

[Palem]

@Palem: is it possible you either moderate everything entirely or just none at all? Removing a few OT posts and leaving the rest is kinda double standards

After a couple of attempts to steer the conversation back to the war, there was only a couple of users who insisted on discussing #PayKuhan, so I removed their posts in an effort to dissuade everyone else's participation. I really try my best to stay out of everyone's posts if I can.

I realize it looks bad in hindsight, but I was just trying to get things back on topic with as little post moderation as possible. If people think I'm applying double standards, I'd have to say they're just not looking at the big picture (in that the vast majority of time I don't really do anything lol)

Also, let's take it easy on the insults

[Bart of Sparta]

Please do not question the greatest moderators ever on the greatest forum ever from the greatest game EVER. Palem is a great man and only makes good decisions concerning moderations, it's terrific.

[Korp]

You forgot to remove ASF Post Palem!!

[Meep]

flog's massive income does not result in him knowing how computers work, so he posted in our channel about how to post logs so here it is

Is someone bragging about making low six figures?

In the big financial sector cities, that's like...upper middle class...

[Judge]

Is someone bragging about making low six figures?

In the big financial sector cities, that's like...upper middle class...

$30000 is what I make in India and this is considered upper middle class! Salary disparity of india vs USA is 1:4. So had I been in USA I would have earned $120000 and still considered an upper Middle class!

[Meep]

$30000 is what I make in India and this is considered upper middle class! Salary disparity of india vs USA is 1:4. So had I been in USA I would have earned $120000 and still considered an upper Middle class!

Depends extremely heavily on locale.

[Palem]

^that. You make 6 figures in my neck of the woods and you're pretty much Bill Gates lol

[Mike^]

ok im trying to do a no Troll post here, i dont do that often.

To be fair when we we found Protouse and took him into fratzia he was an ok province player (reason why we let him in) at the time hesus, marcel and i was leading Fratzia (the rebuild) fast it was clear Protouse was a fast learner when it came to playing province/bank and he was promoted to be taken into leadership chan so he could follow the events as they happend and keep his (i must say well played bank) up to date at all time, but it was also clear that don pro was very green when it came to leadership he had never done this before, after some time i was sad to say i grew a little tired of his whinning, alot of ego mememe things and when i found out that he was taking leassons on the side from asf and giving him crusial info (he so wanted to be freinds with asf) that he told more from Fratzia then he should i asked hesus and Marcel to get rid of him, Marcel wanted him to have another shot and i keept being skeptic, its save to say that don pro learned alot from us old dogs on how to do diplo, kingdom management and so on, when age was comming to an end (or begenning od the next i dont remember) don pro pro was asked to leave, dont remember if he manage to get the crown while in Fratzia that we ofc won, but one thing was sure he was spamming mirc about how big a part he was of it, and to be fair he did play a good bank, but was never part of the leaders final dessions, pro later moved on to other kingdoms and im sure he learned alot from asf asf, and i dunno i wasent around when he won all the crowns he claim he has, but one thing i remember is this green lil don pro pro we took in, showed the robs.

Ooh ye i did take away a gen crown from pro pro when i won it (deal breaking him) that also made him sad.

Anyways best of luck don pro pro, but plz try and remember the people you talk about was Legendes 30-50 ages before you even became relevent, so speaking of there crowns of nothing makes me sad and makes you look sad.

Best of luck to you pro pro.

[Sheister]

Palem is a great man ....

Was that finally resolved?

[Palem]

Gender really is more of a spectrum... ;)

[Proteus]

You guys are right I'm just a lowly janitor also fat, ugly, bald, and single...it's what you want me to be so that's the truth. Another confession, I'm also bad at this game and none of my crowns are real and I didn't win them, I rode every single persons coat tails on the server, even that 25prov core player, and also didn't lead ever, only pretended to.

Mike none of the stuff you said is remotely true, I never even cowed in fratzia and was there for < 1 full age, did not play there when fratzia finally crowned, and never pretended to take credits for its crowns (given I played there way before it happened). The age I played in Fratzia, they were in the process of getting owned by an Abs kd, I believe it was Mercy and I moved on at EOA. I also never pretended to be in LS although either hesus or Marcel invited me to the council chan. Also another fun fact, every starts as a noob at some point in their careers and learns from others, there is literally zero shame in that. Flogger was a big noob when he returned to the game, needed to learn all he could from ASF/dorje when he was leading Mercy. If that was the case no one would ever go to university because it's too shameful to learn from others and increase your knowledge....

Love how it's the same people who consistently lost to Rage and Emeriti are always the ones trolling or the aabs haters like Mike.

Also Palem it's really funny for you to make a troll post, shows how serious Mods are on this board. You guys are held to such high standards. In any event you are a vast improvement over Dharan, him as a mod was embarrassment to the game.

Also for the intelligent people out there not sure if you ever heard of "sticks and stones" but you can say all the dumb stuff you want, at the end of the day when wars are won and lost, and when people crown and don't, that stuff is pretty evident...at least you have your jokes and trolling. As for attempting to comment on how people live IRL and their accomplishments or lackthereof, it's pissing in the dark because no one truly knows unless they actually know said person well IRL.

Surprised some of you haven't grown up over the years even though you are approaching 40 now....