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    A lot of the good leaders are not running single branded kds for periods of time but have experience in getting a few good ages in, relaxing, then repeating. There's a reason why at the top you see the same names repeatably. Probably take any leader of a top tier war kd and call that person a top war leader. Also a mediocre leader with a fantastic core can get WWs, so it's hard to say definitively what = best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    That is because the side with the most dwarfs will win in situations of roughly equal size/pumping/skill and activity. Sparta simply has a really good setup that will win them most of their wars.
    And guess who advised on that set-up ;)

    That being said though Matija is a better leader in situations such as these than I am, grinding out a long WW. I generally made sure we either won/lost at min-time because I hate long wars and am not good at them.
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    What I'm saying is the dwarf dynamic is the no-brainer choice that avian had been in past ages. Any time you see the a build levy AKA

    8/9 elite = one point higher than any other elite means you can edge the combat exchange

    Mystic Aura = enemy auto-fail

    Free Build with BE bonus, plus 3-8 tick build times = all cores with the exception of avians can't contain economics through military.

    This means non-dwarf core kingdoms can be successful vs dwarf core only through judicious engagement, all things being equal. In other words, to defeat a dwarf core you have to go old school and beat them before declare.

    Now I realize Settlers or any other war kingdom might engage a dwarf core kingdom just for fun and posterity. It's a worthwhile venture.

    Didn't even mention GA as this equates to a mild overkill. You can hover in nw range if you know how to zone, but most don't. Thus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StratOcastle View Post
    What I'm saying is the dwarf dynamic is the no-brainer choice that avian had been in past ages. Any time you see the a build levy AKA

    8/9 elite = one point higher than any other elite means you can edge the combat exchange

    Mystic Aura = enemy auto-fail

    Free Build with BE bonus, plus 3-8 tick build times = all cores with the exception of avians can't contain economics through military.

    This means non-dwarf core kingdoms can be successful vs dwarf core only through judicious engagement, all things being equal. In other words, to defeat a dwarf core you have to go old school and beat them before declare.

    Now I realize Settlers or any other war kingdom might engage a dwarf core kingdom just for fun and posterity. It's a worthwhile venture.

    Didn't even mention GA as this equates to a mild overkill. You can hover in nw range if you know how to zone, but most don't. Thus.
    Dwarf is juts OP. My dwarf/mystic at this stage of the age when properly pumped will have 20+ mWPA, 450 dpa army and like 300-350 opa sendable off while keeping ~150 dpa.

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    Maybe a bit bias but Francis chan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texn View Post
    Maybe a bit bias but Francis chan.
    Where you guys at? Perhaps grow into my ghetto range and we can have a war. If Francis is so good he should be able to beat a ghetto that by principle has no war leader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta View Post
    Dwarf is juts OP. My dwarf/mystic at this stage of the age when properly pumped will have 20+ mWPA, 450 dpa army and like 300-350 opa sendable off while keeping ~150 dpa.
    thats just a lie. you cant come close to those numbers. "best war planners" and you name yourself then claim those #'s.


    That is, to hit 300 opa, 450 dpa and 150 dpa army out u need 20% tg, forts at 105 BE and enough stables to cover like 20 epa.
    Boom thats 65% of your land. Consider then u still need farms/guilds/towers and maybe homes?

    Lets check pop

    20+ mwpa = 5.5 raw *3.1875 sceince * 1.15 honor
    lets go 1 tpa to be stupid..

    450 dpa = 1.655* (30.2 epa) (20% forts, 1.1 ME science, barrier, max wages, mp)


    30.2+1+5.5=36.7 pop/acre without peasants

    36.7 pop/acre /1.15 for homes swap / 1.15 max science/1.05 pop honor

    =26.43 pop/acre. lets say u have even .07 ppa/acre after homes swap u need 14.3% homes in your build.


    So basically your saying
    So your at 79% build w/out farms/guilds/towers/hospitals/rax........ and drafted to 115% draft rate with 0.07 peasents on MAX wpa/be/pop science and 10% me science is "properly pumped". oh yea and you have count honor.

    No prov in the game is hitting that, probubly even all age. a more reasonable build even with max numbers as the "best" prov is more like
    knock out 10% forts/tg stables to get a reasonable build that drops DME to 1.55, 1.42 ome and put yourself at 2 ppa when 115% pop
    400 dpa
    150 dpa army out
    250 opa army out.

    50 dpa less army in, 50-100 opa less, and still requires one of the best provs in the game right now

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    Maxed pop/mil sci

    Talking about 90% homes pump going into conflict on ~140-145% BE.

    Maxed ME/pop sci. Forts give way more at high BE so DME would be ~183%.

    No time to do all the math now at work but this is what Munk gave me on the intel I inserted :D

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    280 opa keeping 180 dpa

    PROVINCE
    Dwarf/Mystic
    Population 150144 37.54per acre
    Peasants 9032 2.26per acre
    Building Eff 144.9%
    Networth 1498943gc 374.74nwpa
    MILITARY (117112 units)
    Off specs: 0 0per acre
    Def specs: 0 0per acre
    Elites: 109112 27.28per acre
    Horses: 64000 16per acre
    Thieves: 8000 2per acre 2.12 mod
    Wizzards: 24000 6per acre 19.72 mod
    OME: +74.1% (4 gens)
    DME: +77.9%
    HOME Off: 1631k pts 407.72 opa
    HOME Def: 1747k pts 436.73 dpa
    Practical Off: 814k pts 203.57 opa
    Practical Def: 873k pts 218.37 dpa

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    How did we go from best war leader to trying to glorify Bart YET AGAIN....
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    Quote Originally Posted by umajon911 View Post
    How did we go from best war leader to trying to glorify Bart YET AGAIN....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lestat View Post
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    That guy. When you can defeat kingdoms that have cows and you have none you make the short list. Emeriti managed this to a degree with a dwarf supercore. Neither of them were facing kingdoms simply inclined on growing cows.

    I watched those wars and they made me rethink the caliber of competition. It began my interest in the racial/nw triads. CR ran a modded Elit type strat a couple ages later. The one similarity I noted was the ability to war up. These thing influence my approach to The Virtual Kingdom...rather poorly I might add, but I wasn't in there to see howw the mechanism works.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop View Post
    Correct me then, instead of being a dick about it.
    love that thick mahogany back with no belly carve or anything...pure thick wood ! The thing ROCK is made of !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta View Post
    Maxed pop/mil sci

    Talking about 90% homes pump going into conflict on ~140-145% BE.

    Maxed ME/pop sci. Forts give way more at high BE so DME would be ~183%.

    No time to do all the math now at work but this is what Munk gave me on the intel I inserted :D
    I vote whoever invented that strat. that sounds smart.

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