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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheister View Post
    Of course, none of the above posters would list flogger because they are upset with him at the moment, but I would argue that he is at a minimum the one with the most guts. Case in point, giving button to full avian KD with massacres in a top war?! ACK! I know I would never have the cajones to do that. Ghettos? Sure, but against someone who I know knows what they are doing, no way ever.
    And it would have worked too if it weren't for those meddling developers.

    I'm pretty high up there on potential, but I burned out 2-3 years ago, haven't executed well in awhile. Although I'd be surprised if anyone outside of emeriti in the top can tell me how the NS formula works without looking it up first. Probably munk too (although don't know if he knows it by heart).

    Edited to say, seems to be gone from wiki, so lets test it.

    Province has 10k dspecs 15k elites with 9k out on attack. How much to send for max kills, and what are the kills. 0 soldiers, perfect NW range. 0% WT's, no barrier, etc. Like 5th grade proofs, show me how you got there.
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    Not sure why mango is listed, I don't think he does wars. We played once together, he thought 3 straight wars we'd get farmed, and we won each by 50k.

    Coss is a top 3 war guy, that's why he can seemingly create sleepy any and everywhere he wants, despite ragequitting on his kingdom every other age. He's good enough that if things go well, he knows what he's doing. Had he been still in Rage/Emeriti, this age for example, he woulda have done enough massacres to win that war, he's beaten me plenty largely because of that. He knows when to gain land and when to win the war.

    Nesta's speciality is bank fights, probably the best record of that since he's been playing, the devs made that skill relatively useless, however.

    My speciality is chaining core provs.

    Bart's preparation the one time we fought was impressive and he has potential, but who cares if you only get in a good position after you arrange a farm war. The point of the game at the top is to destroy eachother's ego, and that doesn't do it. Would be interesting to see him give it a go legit, he seems to know the game.

    Dorje's the only guy I've seen do really innovative stuff in awhile. Their first age back doing the full explore all defense, and his soldier swapping the two of recent memory, but he's had plenty of strats/styles that I've always admired. On the flip side, he doesn't seem to anticipate counters well. First age explore all def and win, obviously people will come up with a counter the next age but he doesn't anticipate that he's gonna get triple hostiled the next age when trying it as he's a giant farm for 12 hours doing that.

    Mainly his hyper aggressive lets start every age owning everyone mentality has been cool to watch for 30 some odd ages. It made him the least liked of the abs kds, but from a pure numbers/gaming aspect taking out the politics was the most impressive. Waving CR OOP with CR going dwarf is an example of that. No way dwarf tact of all setups should have to eat a wave, that was just better strategy. As someone pointed out though, mango may be really good at timing his CFs and crowning that way, so it didn't matter, thats probably why he yelled at me the one age we did play, he's not used to winning via tough fights, so I don't think he's on this list. But he wins ages.

    Back when I played every age seriously I'd purposely know the best thing to do but then try something else just to be different/innovative. I imagine the ages dorje fails he might fall for that too. Not sure what's up with emeriti's last two ages of setups, they came off as just terrible to me. Not having war hero in a war hero age, then running war hero after a clear heretic age with no honor gains seems complacent after so much recent dominance. I wouldn't expect that next age, as I'd expect ASF and dorje to make sure they spend 20 minutes making sure they have a good setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octobrev View Post
    Best war plan is no war!
    Despite this ages war emphasis, my impression is that this is correct. In the micro-kingdom I'm seeing quite a bit from community behavior. I'm only doing retal, but if I wasn't, I could see a deep drive into the heart of the action.

    As for floggers unanswered question, I slop everything and it generally works out. My rare visits up top I'm more attentive but not in the matters of computation, I just eyeball with more scrutiny. I can see the field, if that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StratOcastle View Post
    Despite this ages war emphasis, my impression is that this is correct.
    Wrong, CR had two perfectly timed wars, that's why they're in the drivers seat. In a no war scenario, the best setup wins which was BB's. BB had 1 war, which was poorly timed so they didn't gain anything. CR gained huge from both. BB had the least amount of wars/most amount of pumping and they're not in a great spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Not sure why mango is listed, I don't think he does wars. We played once together, he thought 3 straight wars we'd get farmed, and we won each by 50k.

    Coss is a top 3 war guy, that's why he can seemingly create sleepy any and everywhere he wants, despite ragequitting on his kingdom every other age. He's good enough that if things go well, he knows what he's doing. Had he been still in Rage/Emeriti, this age for example, he woulda have done enough massacres to win that war, he's beaten me plenty largely because of that. He knows when to gain land and when to win the war.

    Nesta's speciality is bank fights, probably the best record of that since he's been playing, the devs made that skill relatively useless, however.

    My speciality is chaining core provs.

    Bart's preparation the one time we fought was impressive and he has potential, but who cares if you only get in a good position after you arrange a farm war. The point of the game at the top is to destroy eachother's ego, and that doesn't do it. Would be interesting to see him give it a go legit, he seems to know the game.

    Dorje's the only guy I've seen do really innovative stuff in awhile. Their first age back doing the full explore all defense, and his soldier swapping the two of recent memory, but he's had plenty of strats/styles that I've always admired. On the flip side, he doesn't seem to anticipate counters well. First age explore all def and win, obviously people will come up with a counter the next age but he doesn't anticipate that he's gonna get triple hostiled the next age when trying it as he's a giant farm for 12 hours doing that.

    Mainly his hyper aggressive lets start every age owning everyone mentality has been cool to watch for 30 some odd ages. It made him the least liked of the abs kds, but from a pure numbers/gaming aspect taking out the politics was the most impressive. Waving CR OOP with CR going dwarf is an example of that. No way dwarf tact of all setups should have to eat a wave, that was just better strategy. As someone pointed out though, mango may be really good at timing his CFs and crowning that way, so it didn't matter, thats probably why he yelled at me the one age we did play, he's not used to winning via tough fights, so I don't think he's on this list. But he wins ages.

    Back when I played every age seriously I'd purposely know the best thing to do but then try something else just to be different/innovative. I imagine the ages dorje fails he might fall for that too. Not sure what's up with emeriti's last two ages of setups, they came off as just terrible to me. Not having war hero in a war hero age, then running war hero after a clear heretic age with no honor gains seems complacent after so much recent dominance. I wouldn't expect that next age, as I'd expect ASF and dorje to make sure they spend 20 minutes making sure they have a good setup.
    Fair assessment. I agree that even though I've beaten most of the top-KDs in this game most of it has been due to shrewd positioning and simply starting the war with a clear advantage. I'm as of yet quite untested in 50/50 conflicts against top opposition. I hope one day I'll have enough time to do so, but I sincerely doubt I ever will without sacrificing IRL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta View Post
    Fair assessment. I agree that even though I've beaten most of the top-KDs in this game most of it has been due to shrewd positioning and simply starting the war with a clear advantage. I'm as of yet quite untested in 50/50 conflicts against top opposition. I hope one day I'll have enough time to do so, but I sincerely doubt I ever will without sacrificing IRL...
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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Wrong, CR had two perfectly timed wars, that's why they're in the drivers seat. In a no war scenario, the best setup wins which was BB's. BB had 1 war, which was poorly timed so they didn't gain anything. CR gained huge from both. BB had the least amount of wars/most amount of pumping and they're not in a great spot.
    Why do you think BBs setup is better if no wars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge View Post
    When you war nesta its always a 50-50 war. So look for him!
    Well I did put Nesta twice on 50% NW at min-time :P

    So I guess that counts as 50% - 50% wars!

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    From rest look like best is doing Bart. Not like he gained any respect from what he do but he look happy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meep View Post
    Why do you think BBs setup is better if no wars?
    Bb setup is better than cr I think because when every prov is ub the more tm's will turn the tide in the long, drawn out hostile/war. If they War it will be a long long one
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