peasant killing a prov with massacre?

[Kemia]

its not possible anymore?

[octobrev]

The last few just need to be killed by overpopulation~

[Kemia]

Ah gotcha, thanks

[Crazyguy]

because peasants leave by a percentage, whether its by overpop or massacre, I don't think that it is possible to kill them like this if they have wiz training and draft turned off. ever notice how if you burn your stables 2 horses stay? this is because they leave by a percentage, and when you get down to 2 horses, the % is less then one, so you perpetually have 2 horses. the same applies to pezzies. This is unless, the target province has wizard training ON. when they get down to 2 pezzies, the pezzies get turned into wizards and the province dies. its also possible if they have draft really high and the Pez get drafted. Wizard population doesn't count as military population, so even if the province has only 2 pezzies, and the draft percentage is lower then the number of off specs, def specs, elite troops, soldiers, and thieves. The last 2 pezzies get drafted, killing the province.

For this reason, massacre makes it harder to kill a province, since it kills wizzies.... I can say this with pretty much certainty, having been chained down from 1k+ acres to 12 acres and survived. I was down to 2 peasants the whole time until my army got back with my acres. If the target province has draft off, and wiz training off, the only way to kill is to Get them to zero acres. I'm not sure if this is possible, having not had the opportunity to test it out with the changes. Killing an active province is very diffucult, if the province owner has decent game knowledge.

[Uhm hoi]

because peasants leave by a percentage, whether its by overpop or massacre, I don't think that it is possible to kill them like this if they have wiz training and draft turned off. ever notice how if you burn your stables 2 horses stay? this is because they leave by a percentage, and when you get down to 2 horses, the % is less then one, so you perpetually have 2 horses. the same applies to pezzies. This is unless, the target province has wizard training ON. when they get down to 2 pezzies, the pezzies get turned into wizards and the province dies. its also possible if they have draft really high and the Pez get drafted. Wizard population doesn't count as military population, so even if the province has only 2 pezzies, and the draft percentage is lower then the number of off specs, def specs, elite troops, soldiers, and thieves. The last 2 pezzies get drafted, killing the province.

For this reason, massacre makes it harder to kill a province, since it kills wizzies.... I can say this with pretty much certainty, having been chained down from 1k+ acres to 12 acres and survived. I was down to 2 peasants the whole time until my army got back with my acres. If the target province has draft off, and wiz training off, the only way to kill is to Get them to zero acres. I'm not sure if this is possible, having not had the opportunity to test it out with the changes. Killing an active province is very diffucult, if the province owner has decent game knowledge.

Inaccurate. Peasants leave due to overpop with 7% of the peasant population or 10 total, whichever is greater. So if you have 10 peasants left and overpopulated, you will die next tick. It is possible to massacre down to 3 peasants left. With a large enough army out, it is possible to kill an overpopulated province by massacring him enough just before the tick.

[Tadpole]

Uhm hoi and Octo are right of course.

Also...

when they get down to 2 pezzies, the pezzies get turned into wizards and the province dies.

Above is a long standing myth. Wiz training is auto-halted when wiz > peasants * 2. Never a need to turn wiz production off.

[octobrev]

^this!

[Minty]

its not possible anymore?

Massacre is and has always been the easiest way to PK someone. If you don't massacre it takes 3 ticks minimum to PK someone no exception. PK with no massacre is possible but definately harder and is unreliable, although the enemy will never know you did it unless the target logs on. Massacre-PKs generally gets the job done every time.

1. Make sure target is significantly overpopped.
2. Get peasants down to 10 or lower
2.1 The above condition can be achieved with massacre, kidnap or FB
A) Kidnaps yields 0 when the province is somewhere in the 3x peasants (believe its 32 but may be wrong)
B) Fireballs kills 0 peasants at 2x peasants (24 exactly I believe)
C) Massacre will stop killing peasants when the target has only 3 left.
3. Wait until the tick. Overpopulation kills a minimum of 10 peasants every tick no exception. Your target will be died unless he/she comes online.


How do you help an offline province that is <10 peasants and about to die?
Simple, aid soldiers and have 1 of your Heretics NM. When soldiers are NM'd they are converted into peasants.

[Caelum]

How do you help an offline province that is <10 peasants and about to die?
Simple, aid soldiers and have 1 of your Heretics NM. When soldiers are NM'd they are converted into peasants.

http://imgur.com/a/C3kpj

[octobrev]

What a crazy solution. I love it! I would be bot calling people like an amateur.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Kidnapping does give peons to your province only down to 3x depending on some factors but you can still damage the province for 1peon per successful operation down to 14 peons (your kidnap will report 0 peons taken but the target province suffers a loss of 1 peon). This is why it's not recommended to release all thieves on a say chained province which would leave it exposed for a simple PK against a coordinated KD.

[Minty]

Kidnapping does give peons to your province only down to 3x depending on some factors but you can still damage the province for 1peon per successful operation down to 14 peons (your kidnap will report 0 peons taken but the target province suffers a loss of 1 peon). This is why it's not recommended to release all thieves on a say chained province which would leave it exposed for a simple PK against a coordinated KD.

This is interesting information. It's been 15 ages since I tested the aspects of PK'ing, so I can't remember the specifics anymore. I was fairly sure I was thorough by getting SoTs after Kidnaps without seeing the province losing any more peasants, but could be wrong. Definately going to try this out at some point later this age

[MyNameIsMatija]

You were out of range when you tried it.

[situsklaw]

to kill in one tick (assuming prov has no peons and overpopped) you got to kidnap down to 20 then use bonus damage on elf/faery (fae i know use to have it) and kidnap from 20 to 10 done right at end of tick. this is ninja way to do it so ppl dont c you pk;ing we have done 3 like this in a war before and was able to claim they were inactive. point being keep 10 thives usually enough

[TommyB]

we have done 3 like this in a war before and was able to claim they were inactive.

Not sure I understand correctly: Are you or are you not proud of this achievement?