Referral System Feedback

[Elldallan]

I don't think the awarding of acres and scientists is appropriate because on a kdwide scale that could be unbalancing to some extent, also any rewards should not be awarded if/when the kingdom is at war but should instead be awarded at the end of war.
But other than that I see no real issues with this, the occasional random food gc or runes isn't anything particularly gamebreaking. Depending on how you implement multiple referrals I'm not sure that's a great idea, it's potentially open to abuse if it's just scaling the suggested bonuses.

[Cyberphobia]

I referred a friend and invited them to my KD literally yesterday. But I now get nothing for it?

Also I strongly disagree with in game bonuses. It's too much like pay to win. Not paying but rewarding people based essentially on luck - as it's not that easy to convince friends to play. Credits and taunts and whatever are fine but no in game bonuses. The game should be about skill and strategy - an equal playing field for all.

[Xursian]

January - Gc = Income * 1

Just wanted to share some math...


9999 income * 1 = 9999 income.
564 income * 1 = 564 income.

Also I think the referral bonus are GARB and could promote alot of abuse attempts...

I MEAN i cant even let my GF make an account who lives with me without risk of getting banned, so much for that bringing in new blood....

[Sassy_Wolfie]

I MEAN i cant even let my GF make an account who lives with me without risk of getting banned, so much for that bringing in new blood....

Your girlfriend can play even if you live together, that's not against the rules. I know many couples that play together and they never get banned. Bring her aboard with your referral code :)

[DavidC]

I referred a friend and invited them to my KD literally yesterday. But I now get nothing for it?

Also I strongly disagree with in game bonuses. It's too much like pay to win. Not paying but rewarding people based essentially on luck - as it's not that easy to convince friends to play. Credits and taunts and whatever are fine but no in game bonuses. The game should be about skill and strategy - an equal playing field for all.

If your friend used your referral code, you would get credit for this.

[Cyberphobia]

If your friend used your referral code, you would get credit for this.

Well no - I didn't give him a referral code because I invited him 12 hours or so before I saw this thread. So we just used his email address to recruit him into our KD - no referral code or anything.

[Xursian]

Your girlfriend can play even if you live together, that's not against the rules. I know many couples that play together and they never get banned. Bring her aboard with your referral code :)

are you sure? Because I have logged on with my utopia account on both my PCs already and several of the devises here, wont that flag a multi account ban or something?

Can i get a CONFRIM @DavidC? I would like to have her try the game out this age.

[Palem]

are you sure? Because I have logged on with my utopia account on both my PCs already and several of the devises here, wont that flag a multi account ban or something?

Can i get a CONFRIM @DavidC? I would like to have her try the game out this age.

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...1#post15185602


On topic, I agree with others that the rewards should be credits or something. If you reward players with a significant amount of in-game resources, then that's really not fair and if you reward with an insignificant amount, then who cares?

[JeffT]

are you sure? Because I have logged on with my utopia account on both my PCs already and several of the devises here, wont that flag a multi account ban or something?

Can i get a CONFRIM @DavidC? I would like to have her try the game out this age.

Yes. There is a system that prevents people on the same IP (that would be your gf) from interacting with each other. It's a hard block, so if my wife and I are both playing, and I attack province x, she can't attack province x for 24 hours. So what that means is if you're both attackers, you can't hit the same target.

There are some additional heuristic checks we do beyond that to identify multis as well, so don't log each others accounts :).

[Verminator]

You truly don't think the devs will notice when an entire kingdom suddenly refers one new player each? The complaints in this thread are a case of panicking about a landslide when you live in the desert. It's simply not probable that the sort of cheating described in these posts will get past anyone, especially on the large scale that's being described. You're worrying about something that will probably never happen just because it's possible in the game.

[EvilEndures]

You truly don't think the devs will notice when an entire kingdom suddenly refers one new player each? The complaints in this thread are a case of panicking about a landslide when you live in the desert. It's simply not probable that the sort of cheating described in these posts will get past anyone, especially on the large scale that's being described. You're worrying about something that will probably never happen just because it's possible in the game.

Do you genuinely believe they can catch 4 multi accounts that don't hit/op the same target?

[coss]

ANYTHING that give some people advantages over others is not a good system. Give credits, give no advertments for an age or w/e. DO NOT give resources. Just my 2 cents.

[cnt]

I can see that this will get abused.

[ape]

I understand that you want to encourage new players joining, but I have would see some issues with this, as well.

I have just encountered someone beign a successful multi, cheating that is, and actively maintaining two provs at the same time. He didnt seem to get caught by IP. And I hear about kingdoms have been run by 3 people, all using proxies or whatever. All these people seems to now get a, potential, bonus, and a heffty bonus at that.

My impression, from what I hear, and have experienced, admins do not have a good enough grasp of the potential multi abuses. There are more technical workarounds then the ones suggested above about gonig to the library, I quite sure of. It means this could not be implemented wihtout giving the cheaters even more cheating bonus, as far as I understand it.

Also, to get freebies to those amounts can be close to game changers if a whole/half kingdom has em. As opponent it would be impossible to know, and silly if u lost a 2 week war cause of that. This would be a seperate issue from the one above, but they could also be one and the same.

One solution might be to significantl lower bonuses.
---> maybe to just allow these bonuses first week... not the whole age.
---> make a one time off bonus, of provinces choice, not a slight bonus all year.

[EvilEndures]

I understand that you want to encourage new players joining, but I have would see some issues with this, as well.

I have just encountered someone beign a successful multi, cheating that is, and actively maintaining two provs at the same time. He didnt seem to get caught by IP. And I hear about kingdoms have been run by 3 people, all using proxies or whatever. All these people seems to now get a, potential, bonus, and a heffty bonus at that.
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Correct. As long as you don't hit/op the same targets in an obvious pattern the existing anti-cheat/multi system doesn't work.